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Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 07:10**

Agree with James here, wouldnt use it and not only cos you have to weigh cyc to gauge fill, no no no , though you will not get into trouble for owning it, it is not a criminal nor civil offence (yet)

mike

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 10:57**

the forecourt staff can remove it from you! there so dangerous its untrue no 80% cut off no safety system on it nowt!

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 11:19**

jamesc76 wrote:the forecourt staff can remove it from you! there so dangerous its untrue no 80% cut off no safety system on it nowt!

Scarey on here sometimes innit

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 15:28**

it is an offence to refill anyone elses bottle...
and unless you have made your bottle at the bottom of your garden in your workshop you are borrowing it it.
calor, flogas, camping gaz all own the bottles, you only buy the contents, the container belongs to them legally..

calor wrote:Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company. The Company makes the Cylinder(s) available to the User as a means of safely transporting and storing the Gas supplied. This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the User with title in the Cylinder. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor hold themselves out as having any rights in breach of this agreement, nor purport to create or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to
the User's obligations.

4. Use of Cylinder – Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a Calor outlet) nor claim to have any rights in breach of this agreement, nor create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User's obligations.

5. The Company's rights over the Cylinders – The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinders and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinders and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinders if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so. In any case of wilful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinders immediately and the User by entering into this agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User's property for these purposes and in that event this agreement is terminated. The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon them by this agreement.

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 17:37**

Mocki wrote:it is an offence to refill anyone elses bottle...
and unless you have made your bottle at the bottom of your garden in your workshop you are borrowing it it.
calor, flogas, camping gaz all own the bottles, you only buy the contents, the container belongs to them legally..

Or you buy a gaslow bottle, or a proper leisure tank!

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 19:59**

As I said. I couldnt agree more , but garage forecourt staff do not have the authority to take anything of you.
It may be against companies wishes to refill the cyclinder (and ive said that its a no no) but it is not an offence. just bloody stupid and dangerouse
mike

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 20:38**

As I understand it there should be space for the liquid gas to expand due to temperature. I have read that such tanks should only be filled to 85%. The liquefied gas has all of the characteristics of any liquid specifically for all intents and purposes being incompressible. I believe that advice regarding maximising filling by fiddling with temperature dangerous in the extreme. This means that if you manage to fill the tank close enough to 100% full there will be no room for expansion due to a rise in temperature. Under these circumstance a ruptured tank or bursting disc is a distinct possibility in my opinion. There are few injuries as painful and irreparable as burns so my very strong advice would be to forget about what may or may not be legal and learn in depth the implications and consequences of this activity. If in doubt leave it out!
Cheers
Wolfie
(I lost my previous response)

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 20:57**

This is what your given with all new gaslow bottles!

Posted: **27 Jul 2010, 21:09**

And so they should.whilst refillable cyclinders are realativly new many leyfolk would on first glance would assume them to be std cyc's including forecourt folk, so yes much safer to refill in their fixed position.
M

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