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Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 09:36
by SANDMAN
Simon Baxter wrote:Merc is 12mm, VW etc 14mm, the ones I sell suit the 14mm radius.
i.e, not suitable for merc fitment, but would work at a stretch.
TBH, the nuts you are supplied are a bit of an oddball anyway, the radius is to usually suit vehicle with a 12mm thread, not 14mm.
OK back to the original question - have checked the thread lenth and sure enough there is 12mm there for the nuts- however they just don't look right to me and my son who came round sunday admiring my wheels/ tyres - guess what the first thing he said
Those nuts aint on right . i would post a picture have'nt worked out how to do that yet though - Went up to mid wales on weekend no probs and i do periodically check them -all ok. not sure wether to live with it or fit longer studs or fit different nuts.
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 18:19
by syncroandy
Buy the 12mm radius ones from Baxter then.
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 19:56
by SANDMAN
syncroandy wrote:Buy the 12mm radius ones from Baxter then.
OK yea i think that is probubly the obvious answer as its not a case of they are not safe or whatever just that in my opinion they Don't look right and several people have aired the same views so different nuts it is then
Cheer's.
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 22:21
by toomanytoys
Lets see a pic...
even the stock vw alloys witht he correct nuts do not have stud protruding.. IIRC about 3 or 4 threads showing in the nut.. they didnt deem it unsafe, or they would have replaced the studs...
look at the length of the thread in the nut... there is loads.. not all of it is taking "load", say 1/4 is needed to take the load and you factor in a 4x (or poss 5x) safety/damage/overload/etc...etc factor, then even 3/4 thread use is more than adequate...
Posted: 31 Oct 2008, 01:11
by HarryMann
Lets see a pic...
You beat me to it Simon... was going to ask the same thing, is it
Really that bad...
The load on the nut comes out in about the first 3 or 4 threads, the rest is for safety, load factor, damage tolerance
Posted: 31 Oct 2008, 16:45
by syncropaddy
I was always told that the minimum thread required was 1.5 x D, ie, 21mm.
Posted: 31 Oct 2008, 19:03
by HarryMann
Depends on size, thread fineness, thread tolerance range and obviously materials quite a lot.
There are programs and standard calcs to estimate these things of course, and a main criteria to avoid inadvertant/unseen partial thread stripping during assembly is that tensile failure of the bolt/stud should occur well before thread stripping..
For very small diameters, 2 X D is adopted as a standard I've seen, unless thread is very fine.
1.5 x D is often quoted
1x D is often used
These are general rules of thumb for safety
But the load usually comes out of the thread (depending on tolerance of male and female parts) between 3 and 5 threads from the stressed face.
Aircraft use what look like half-nuts quite a bit to reduce weight and space, but these are all individually stressed , tested and assembled under tight control. Of course if we're talking 'pins' in shear, rather than bolts, then anything to just hold it in place.
A quick Google wrote:
Can anyone point me in the right direction of a Minimum thread depth chart?. I am tapping a m2x0.4 hole into a piece of HE15 (commercial dural) but am limited on depth what is the minimum length of thread neaded to have contact in the tapped hole?
no apologies for stating the obvious, but the minimum thread depth is "as small as you can design".
the next question is how strong do you need it to be ?
the rule of thumb is three threads develop the full strength of the bolt.
if i was designing something with minimal thread engagment i'd either consider the effects of vibration VERY carefully, even if you don't think you'll have vibration, or consider the effects if this thread backs out, or add positive retention device (lock washer) ... but i doubt you've got room for this.
5 threads!
M2x0.4 means 1X Diameter engagement is only 5 threads, as harrisj stated a standard corner break 0.2-0.4 x 45° removes a full thread from that.
Our corporate standard is 2X Diameter for anything smaller than M5..
An M2 hole is pretty small. Controlling depth of full thread to 2mm is asking for trouble (de-burr the hole and you've lost 25% of your thread). In a soft aluminium alloy you won't be able to inspect or measure it effectively. Maybe if it's screwing on a maker's nameplate it would be OK but I wouldn't rely on a 2mm deep M2 hole in Al for anything worthwhile