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Why is he trying to rip people off?

Are the vehicles available for viewing?

It doesn't make one bit of difference how much he paid, or did not pay for those vans...they have a market value, people make up their own minds as to wheather or not the vehicles are for them or not.

If he has over priced them, it will no doubt be reflected in either a no sale, or a reduction in price to reflect the vehicles condition.

He has given a contact telephone number, which I am sure any interested parties can contact him on, and ask him open, relevant questions...They don't get the answers that they want?...They don't buy the van, simple!

I have not posted this lightly, but I have seen over the last couple of months, various vehicles come up for sale, and the same thing seems to happen time and time again...The "experts" on here, spot something they don't like and rip the seller and or the vehicle to bits.

But he's blind face lying about the condition and the history of both. Whatever you have witnessed before, that is the situation here. Sellers like this should be called out.

Sorry, I don't agree.

The Guy is selling a couple of vans, not murdering school kids!

If the vans are as bad as all that, they will find market price for what they are...And as I have said before, whatever the bloke paid for them, has naff all to do with the situation.

Just keep an eye on this section, the next van that comes up for sale, will be pulled to bits, just as the others before it.

Never a fan of lying, so we'll just have to.disagree on this one. I have always found the analysis on forums very helpful when making a purchase. Seems to.work on amazon etc..

Jon, I don't condone lying at all, and if the guy has only had it a month, he obviously didn't do the 1.9 diesel conversion 2 years ago, so that bit is definately wrong of him to state.

However, Does it really need a member on here, who is in Surrey to say it has sills like weetabix?...I honestly think some people have way too much time to fill in their lives, if thats all they have to write about!

It is looking like if he wants to sell it, he may have to realigned his sights on the price anyway.

I'm sure it will find its own level.

I bought a white minibus off this bloke...nothing special but worth its money (cheap). I had no problem with him (or the bus)...I never believe anything a seller tells me about a vehicle anyway!

randiandipandi wrote:I bought a white minibus off this bloke...nothing special but worth its money (cheap). I had no problem with him (or the bus)...I never believe anything a seller tells me about a vehicle anyway!

Shhhh!...

Don't let the people on here know that you were quite happy with your purchase!

I can't believe that you actually made your own mind up!...There are some on here that can give you complete buyers report, from hundreds of miles away, without actually seeing a vehicle in the flesh!...Its an amazing gift that some have!

I completely agree with you, buyers and sellers descriptions can often be miles away from each other!...The only way to do things properly, is view the van yourself.

bhpdub

If you want another specialist vehicle forum to compare with this, try Brickyard, for some pretty vigorous opinions on there about most things.. we are just puppies compared to them whenit comes to expressing strong views

We don't allow replies to our classified ads for this reason but we cannot ban users from discussing items for sale elsewhere. In the case of Syncros, being quite specialist, some of the points made about newcomers and those with little experience getting burnt fingers are well made. There are so many areas that can cost a new owner dearly and are prone to misunderstanding, particularly transmissions and unseen structural corrosion (both relating to being off-road vehicles of unknown prior usage)

The vehicle owner can always come on to refute any specific points... this has happened before and usually results in a balancing of opinion.

Please put your location in your profile, thanks

Hope this helps

HarryMann wrote:bhpdub

If you want another specialist vehicle forum to compare with this, try Brickyard, for some pretty vigorous opinions on there about most things.. we are just puppies compared to them whenit comes to expressing strong views

We don't allow replies to our classified ads for this reason but we cannot ban users from discussing items for sale elsewhere. In the case of Syncros, being quite specialist, some of the points made about newcomers and those with little experience getting burnt fingers are well made. There are so many areas that can cost a new owner dearly and are prone to misunderstanding, particularly transmissions and unseen structural corrosion (both relating to being off-road vehicles of unknown prior usage)

The vehicle owner can always come on to refute any specific points... this has happened before and usually results in a balancing of opinion.

Please put your location in your profile, thanks

Hope this helps

Hi....Not sure if Harry is your real name?

I haven't checked out the Brickyard forum, but if its even more anal than this one, its probably not for me! ...so, thanks for warning me off.

I was merley making comment about my observations of opinions from certain people on this forum, whenever a vehicle comes on to the market.

I have read the replies to my observations, and TBH, I don't think that its as clear cut as some would like to make out...Yes, I've seen lots of comments about vans, but I don't think that I have actually seen any positive comments...Never once have I read, "oh that bit looks good" or "wow thats a nice van" etc...Its all completely and utterly negative...a bit like the post on this van, from someone in Surrey, who had highly likely not seen the van in the flesh, but saw fit to suggect the van had sills like "weetablx".

Thanks for confirming that there are no replies allowed to ads on this site, as I had tried to make a comment on a van myself (It was just a van that I had owned previously, and I wanted to congratule the seller on the excellent restoration work that he had done)

What I find very bizzare is this.

last week, a 80 -90 member listed his van for sale in the relevant section of this site, I read the ad, and wrote down his telephone number, as the van was potentially of interest to me. When I had a spare moment, I looked for his ad, with a view to looking at it whilst I rang (so I had all appropriate information about the van in front of me, MOT details etc)...When he answered the phone, I told him I was ringing about his van for sale, but I couldn't find it on the 80 - 90 website anymore, so I asked him if he had sold it?
His answer, No...I need to re-load the ad, as it was removed by a mod because it had an ebay link on it.

Now, I'm not the brightest button in the tin by any stretch of the imagination...But, just looking at this thread, there is a blatent link to an Ebay page, for a van for sale...not once, but twice in one thread!...The vans being discussed in this thread are not vans for sale on the 80-90 classified section, they are from Ebay....Has it been removed?...Err not the last time that I looked! ..Go through many, many other threads in the Syncro section....There are plenty of examples that do excactly this!

So, let me get this straight, because I'm slightly confused!

A club 80 - 90 member can not list a vehicle for sale, in the relevant section of the club 80 - 90 site, that he/she is maybe a member of, if it contains an Ebay link?

Yet, a member is Ok to post a link about a van for sale on Ebay, allow other members to view the ad...then discuss the ad (either in a positive or nagative light! )

As I said, I'm a bit slow, so please explain to me how that works?...Or, how it is deemed fair and doesn't break any rules of the site?

Thanks in anticipation.

Oh, by the way, please note location duly updated as requested.

If you think this forum/section is anal, why do you visit it?
As for slagging off the van, A lot of the people on this section meet up and actually know each other and its not strangers discussing a van. Maybe some of it goes over the top? But that van needs a LOT of work, and if you have ever seen a resto on a pick up you will know they rot from the inside out. And as for weetabix sills, you can see it in the pictures, maybe shredded wheat is a better discription of that jacking point/sill area
You will also find people do help others on here to find a van and offer advice and even go to the extent of driving over to view a van, taking it for a test drive and giving it a thorough check over. This was after lots of vans were deemed to be not good enough/to expensive/rot boxes. She now has a very nice van, for a good price.
I personally have had lots of help from members on here, which involved them going way out of there way and giving up saturdays to fix my van.
i think it's one of the best clubs out there, and why you feel the need to visit it to moan is beyond me?

Hi ,

Name's Clive BTW... what's yours?

That is just for Classifieds, so we don't just get everyone posting up links to their eBay ads. They can say its on ebay if they like I suppose... trouble is with almost everything today, give an inch and they take a yard.

A club 80 - 90 member can not list a vehicle for sale, in the relevant section of the club 80 - 90 site, that he/she is maybe a member of, if it contains an Ebay link?

Yes, a member is Ok to post a link about a van for sale on eBay, allow other members to view the ad...then discuss the ad (either in a positive or nagative light! )

Basically yes, I didn't make the rules up, that's how it is and generally we get along Ok, especially here on Syncro, so are you a would be owner?

Brickyard is for T3s, T4s and T5, but started with T3s and owner Simon Baxter was joint founder of this forum but it became too tame for him

HarryMann wrote:Hi ,

Name's Clive BTW... what's yours?

That is just for Classifieds, so we don't just get everyone posting up links to their eBay ads. They can say its on ebay if they like I suppose... trouble is with almost everything today, give an inch and they take a yard.

A club 80 - 90 member can not list a vehicle for sale, in the relevant section of the club 80 - 90 site, that he/she is maybe a member of, if it contains an Ebay link?

Yes, a member is Ok to post a link about a van for sale on eBay, allow other members to view the ad...then discuss the ad (either in a positive or nagative light! )

Basically yes, I didn't make the rules up, that's how it is and generally we get along Ok, especially here on Syncro, so are you a would be owner?

Brickyard is for T3s, T4s and T5, but started with T3s and owner Simon Baxter was joint founder of this forum but it became too tame for him

Ok, Thanks Clive, My name is Andy.

I just find the Ebay ruling thing a bit strange, but, if they are the rules, they are the rules.

I am a potential Syncro owner, as long as its at the right price

I have actually owned 5 Syncro's over the years, I sold the last of them ealier this year.

Cheers
Andy

Im not sure if you are a Syncro owner or not but there are a few here who can spot a pup a mile away. There are signs that we look out for when a new one comes up on e bay or the like. We know where to look. We know whats involved.

So when a yoke like this black DoKa appears we read the description and look at the pics and the price. The description in this case was rubbish and obviously written by someone who doesn't know a whole lot about VW's never mind Syncros. Next the pics. Its rusty in all the wrong places and the pics give a good feel for how the vehicle will be. Then there is the price. £6,000 ...... that is the price of a very good, honest rust free vehicle. This example is not a very good, honest rust free vehicle by any stretch.

I rang the guy, just for a giggle, to ask about the "£3000 engine conversion" he had done and a few other things he had mentioned. He tried to give the impression that he knows his stuff about Syncros but after about 3 minutes it became quite clear that he knows nothing. His description of the vehicle is false. The indication that he had the engine conversion done is false. He doesn't even know what engine is in it!

Then a previous owner appears to confirm what we were saying is pretty well correct ...... result !!

So tell me again, what upsets you about the way this thread went? I do hope that anyone who was thinking about buying this heap read our comments and was suitably informed. Oh and by the way there are plenty of positive comments about other vans that have come this way.

lloydy wrote:If you think this forum/section is anal, why do you visit it?
As for slagging off the van, A lot of the people on this section meet up and actually know each other and its not strangers discussing a van. Maybe some of it goes over the top? But that van needs a LOT of work, and if you have ever seen a resto on a pick up you will know they rot from the inside out. And as for weetabix sills, you can see it in the pictures, maybe shredded wheat is a better discription of that jacking point/sill area
You will also find people do help others on here to find a van and offer advice and even go to the extent of driving over to view a van, taking it for a test drive and giving it a thorough check over. This was after lots of vans were deemed to be not good enough/to expensive/rot boxes. She now has a very nice van, for a good price.
I personally have had lots of help from members on here, which involved them going way out of there way and giving up saturdays to fix my van.
i think it's one of the best clubs out there, and why you feel the need to visit it to moan is beyond me?

Hi Lloydy

I visit this site, because I'm into all things VW, and if I can get a fix of them daily, then great.

Perhaps anal was the wrong word to use, I was trying to suggest that Syncro owners just seem a bit less laid back than other VW groups that I have followed over the years...I've been into VW Busses for years, many more than I would care to remember!

Maybe its the nature of the Syncro vans, perhaps you take the use of them more seriously than those like me, who just use them to go to the seaside, music festivals or VW gatherings etc?

I've owned a few Syncro's...Have I ever considered taking them off road, and climbing muddy fields in them?...Err, No...Its just not anything that appeals to me at all...However, that doesn't stop me finding the vans facinating in their own way.

As for the condition of vans, well lets be honest, with the age of T25's there are very few out there that you could not pick fault with in one way or another...Although I do have one van, that I would like to think is pretty close to being perfect! ...I also have a crusty one, which I love no less than the very, very shiney one!

I just don't know any other VW owners groups that sit picking holes in vehicles for sale...Maybe it's becase in reletive terms, the Syncro is quite rare, so there are only so many which come onto the open market at any one time?...thus giving this Syncro forum less to muse over?

syncropaddy wrote:Im not sure if you are a Syncro owner or not but there are a few here who can spot a pup a mile away. There are signs that we look out for when a new one comes up on e bay or the like. We know where to look. We know whats involved.

So when a yoke like this black DoKa appears we read the description and look at the pics and the price. The description in this case was rubbish and obviously written by someone who doesn't know a whole lot about VW's never mind Syncros. Next the pics. Its rusty in all the wrong places and the pics give a good feel for how the vehicle will be. Then there is the price. £6,000 ...... that is the price of a very good, honest rust free vehicle. This example is not a very good, honest rust free vehicle by any stretch.

I rang the guy, just for a giggle, to ask about the "£3000 engine conversion" he had done and a few other things he had mentioned. He tried to give the impression that he knows his stuff about Syncros but after about 3 minutes it became quite clear that he knows nothing. His description of the vehicle is false. The indication that he had the engine conversion done is false. He doesn't even know what engine is in it!

Then a previous owner appears to confirm what we were saying is pretty well correct ...... result !!

So tell me again, what upsets you about the way this thread went? I do hope that anyone who was thinking about buying this heap read our comments and was suitably informed. Oh and by the way there are plenty of positive comments about other vans that have come this way.

Thanks for the detailed reply Paddy.

I obviously don't know you Paddy, but why on earth would you ring someone with a vehicle for sale, if you have no intention of buying it?...Is it just me, or is everyone elses life too busy/short to bother doing something like that?

I think if you read my replies to the thread, it will give you all of the answers to questions which pose to me...and it will save me typing it all over again

Good luck in your search for the perfect 20 odd year old van.

Cheers
Andy