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Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 08 Jun 2018, 23:16
by RogerT
You’re not old.
Everyone else is getting younger, and don’t know how things should be done! Diesel tractors indeed... nowt wrong wi paraffin!
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 06:37
by itchyfeet
sealing surfaces where wet sealant is used brake cleaner or meths
everything else thats oily paraffin is fine
brake cleaner gets stuff too clean it will rust overnight
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 20:09
by bigbadbob76
Quite right Roger. I found some today.
Cheers Paul, i use ipa for degreasing but as you say it's too much for bits that need an oily film of protection.
I also needed a cleaner I can buy by the gallon to properly flush the crap out, brake cleaner by the gallon, if available, would be expensive.
More bits arrived today. Yipee. Thanks again Paul.
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 21:03
by itchyfeet
For a few second I honestly thought you were using beer to degrease
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 21:47
by bigbadbob76
Aye, don't be confusing Isopropyly alcohol with India Pale Ale.
The ale would rust your engine and the iso would turn you blind.
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 22:01
by bigbadbob76
Ok. Next question for you guys who've done this before....
What sealants are for what?
Specifically, what do i use to join the case halves? The oil pickup tube? The head water seal?
Round the head nuts is the yellow stuff I think?
I have what came with the Elring kit- 2 x Dirko-s and 1 x unmarked tube of yellow stuff.
Is that all I need?
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Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 06:41
by itchyfeet
Curil T for case halves
Dirko HT for pick up pipe
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Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 10:21
by bigbadbob76
Cheers mate.
got them on order.
pressed my new con rod bolts in this morning.
Stood and stared at it again, I do a lot of that.
Main/big end/camshaft bearings now in.
Con rods fitted and crank and cam shafts dropped in position with liberal oiling, all turning nice and smoothe.
I was sat on the tailgate of my pickup, happily cleaning my pistons in the sunshine while listening to the neighbours taste in rock.
My kind of sunday.
Back to work tomorrow for a rest.
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 11:17
by itchyfeet
Once its finished the satisfaction is worth the time and effort.
When I was overtaking vans at 70mph up a long hill yesterday with my foot on the floor I thought about all the work that went in and did it with confidence , lots of folk too scared to drive fast in case the engine goes bang where is the fun in that?
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 17:46
by bigbadbob76
I fully agree Paul.
Looking forward to being back on the road without worrying when the engine's gonna let go.
On 26th Nov 2016, you wrote- "looking forward to your rebuild thread
"
Well....18 months and many miles later it finally let go.
hope you're enjoying it as much as I am, even if I am pestering you with questions 24/7
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 21:04
by 300CE
Looking forward to the thread Bob - I’ll get that barrel out to you tomorrow mate!
Also might be worth getting some graphite paste as you can put this on valve stems, pistons etc as it helps with that initial first time start up when there’s no oil in the case. Mate who did my engine rebuilds lorry engines and swears by it.
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 21:57
by 937carrera
Funny that, I just spotted my anti scuff paste on the shelf earlier today. Wondered where it was
I get 5 litres brake cleaner for about £12, but I also have the spray dispenser. Expensive stuff in an aerosol.
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 07:54
by itchyfeet
ZDDP is also reccomended for a rebuild
camshield VWH sell it but its not cheap modern oils don't have enough because it kills cats, I spent a while working out how much is needed and think you could use 1/2 a bottle on initial and the other half after your 500 mile oil change.
I'm going to use it on my current DJ as it has new cam and followers that need to bed in.
if you fit cam or followers you need to do a break in session but you havent.
You need to bed the rings in though no stready revs up and down as much as possible.
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Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 08:22
by 937carrera
Not sure I share that view. ZDDP is an anti wear additive, that's not what you want in a new engine as you need components, especially rings to bed in on the bores.
You can buy specific running in oils eg
http://www.millersoils.co.uk/products/r ... in-oil/523, and a standard mineral is better than a synthetic for running in as it isn't as "slippy".
Millers Oils wrote:
Application
Use for initial running in of re-built engines. Formulated for running in on the road and test bed running. Run engine at peak torque to ensure maximum bedding-in of piston rings. Then drain and refill with the correct Millers engine oil. Suitable for lim
User Benefits
The high quality mineral oil formulation overcomes the problems of bore glazing experienced when running in reconditioned engines.
The correct additive selection provides protection for the valve train and associated components whilst allowing piston rings and bores to bed in whilst providing limited road use whilst running in.
By optimising the running in procedure oil control and fuel efficiency will be attained.
Anti scuff paste / graphite paste is there for initial start up as 300CE said
Definitely agree on the running in process, no labouring, vary the revs and load
Re: Not a restoration.
Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 08:33
by itchyfeet
937carrera wrote:Not sure I share that view. ZDDP is an anti wear additive, that's not what you want in a new engine as you need components, especially rings to bed in on the bores.
I'm pretty sure that milers oil will have high levels of ZDDP
all oil used to have much higher levels so I don't believe it will harm your rings break in.
