Syncro Gearbox and dif oil - Revision history

Hacksawbob at 17:40, 12 April 2011

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	I used SX70W90 Semi-synthetic GL-5 Oil in both, a Comma style cheapie (for a synthetic), but probably as good or better than many non-synths.		I used SX70W90 Semi-synthetic GL-5 Oil in both, a Comma style cheapie (for a synthetic), but probably as good or better than many non-synths.

	~~If you want to use a top fully synthetic oil in the transaxle yet retain a good gearchange, Redline MT90 is the one to go for.~~		'''Aidan'''

	~~But its~~ not ~~cheap:~~		please can the reference to Redline MT90 be pulled from the WIKI, I do not recommend this oil at all, every box I've known that has had it has had issues, and there is a lot of evidence from the states of excessive wear with this product, Daryl at AA transaxles has been looking at this problem and now he no longer recommends it and on the Vanagon forums it's been spread about that it's not good - unfortunatly the UK importer is targeting the T3 market on ebay, based on old recommendations

	~~Manual Transmission Lubricant - Synthetic~~		the carplan 75w/90 gl4/gl5 is what i use now that the Fuchs is no longer readily available, if you want to spend a lot of dosh then use Millers, and if you want to spend a fortune then use the SWEPCO, but personally I go with the £20 stuff regularly changed and from what I'm seeing on wear after 5 years that advice stands
	~~3.78ltr...£46.50~~
	~~.98litr...£11.50~~

	~~MT90 is their 90W GL-5 full synthetic - many use in the transaxle and front diff. More suitable than MTL being heavier.~~

	~~Available only from Redline themselves in UK~~

	~~MT90 Available from~~
	~~Old Hall Performance~~
	~~Burnsall Road~~
	~~Coventry~~
	~~CV5 6BU(Road Map)~~
	~~Warwickshire~~
	~~Tel: 024 7671 7100~~
	~~Fax: 024 76717400~~

	~~-----------------------------~~

	MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)		MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)

Hacksawbob at 22:04, 31 October 2006

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	Available only from Redline themselves in UK		Available only from Redline themselves in UK

			MT90 Available from
			Old Hall Performance
			Burnsall Road
			Coventry
			CV5 6BU(Road Map)
			Warwickshire
			Tel: 024 7671 7100
			Fax: 024 76717400

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	MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)		MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)

HarryMann at 22:55, 30 October 2006

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	MT90 is their 90W GL-5 full synthetic - many use in the transaxle and front diff. More suitable than MTL ~~for the trasaxle~~ being heavier		MT90 is their 90W GL-5 full synthetic - many use in the transaxle and front diff. More suitable than MTL being heavier.

	~~Avalaible onky~~ from Redline themselves in UK		Available only from Redline themselves in UK

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	MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)		MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)

HarryMann at 22:54, 30 October 2006

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	'''Toomanytoys'''		'''Toomanytoys'''
	But front diff can take GL5 80 or 75w90 oil.. so put in a good brand and spend as much as you want on it... You dont need a huge amount..		But front diff can take GL5 80 or 75w90 oil.. so put in a good brand and spend as much as you want on it... You dont need a huge amount..

			'''From Syncro web pages:'''
			Transmission Lubes
			NB. Transmission components. 'Transaxle' and 'Gearbox' are words used pretty well interchangeably. Transaxle implies the whole unit with its differential and drive shaft output flanges. At the front, 'Front-diff' is usually good enough to differentiate this unit from the transaxle at the rear. Although it contains the Viscous Coupling, its doesn't ring true to hear it called a centre differential or transfer box, although to an extent, that is part of its role. So we'll call it the Front-diff (erential) here. For a Syncro, the 5-speed gearbox is often referred to as 4+G, as the 'extra' low gear is for using off-road, or gelande.

			Lubricants (094 5 - Speed Transaxle)
			NB. 1 US Quart =~ 0.95 litres

			Capacity (total) - 4.5 litres
			Capacity (refill) - 4 litres
			(Bentley): 4.205 US Quarts (approx. 4 litres)
			(Some say Transaxle is 4.5 litres, there being a portion under the diff, held back by a ball-valve, that doesn't drain, looks like they're right)

			Spec. (Bentley) SAE 80, GL-4 (Not GL-5, due to bronze synchromesh parts being incompatible with some of the GL-5 additive package; this is now argued against by some, especially for GL-5 synnthetic oils)
			VAG 80W/90 GL-4

			Front Differential (all)
			Capacity 1.5 litres

			Spec. (VAG) SAE 80, GL-4 or GL-5

			(Bentley): 1.605 US Quarts (approx. 1.5 litres) GL-5

			Where are the drain plugs
			They both have drain plugs and they both have filler plugs, which should, on a level surface, indicate the correct fill level and capacity.

			They are 17mm hex socketed (female) drain plugs, fine threaded.

			Transaxle
			The drain is just behind where the bellhousing bolts to the gearbox main casing facing aft and downward (of course) and the filler/level plug is almost behind the diff-lock mechanism on the RHS, but accessible, just. However, accessing it with the Syncro's protection rails fitted is a bit awkward, requiring a particular combination of hex keys and attachments ~ take a good looksee before expecting to drain and fill the transaxle during the Cup Final's half time break - you might start throwing spanners about!

			N.B. The transaxle cannot be fully drained whilst installed, due to a small resrvoir behind a one-way valve under the differential casing - maybe up to 0.5 litres is retained there - if the transaxle is out, then the bellhousing can be removed easily to get this out (refitting with new input-shaft oil-seal~always).

			Front Diff
			The drain plug is where you would expect it (in the bottom of the casing, central) and the filler/level plug is on the LHS, just aft of the driveshaft, in a recess created by the diff's fins; not too easy to find if theres a lot of mud and gunk in there.

			Have a good look at the magnetic drain plugs when they come out, check the swarf and any bits (colour and particle size tells all) and have a wee poke around as well, maybe tilt the van up a bit and get it warm before draining.

			NB. The handbook or manuals might suggest that these lubricants do not need changing, ever. The fact is the main transaxle unit at least, has one or two weaknesses, as well as the possibility of the input shaft oil-seal leaking - long term, this will ensure your box packs up. Checking the level from time to time and topping up is a wise move with these boxes, and a drain and refill when taking ownership with an uncertain history, a precaution that could save a lot of trouble and expense.

			Oils

			I used SX70W90 Semi-synthetic GL-5 Oil in both, a Comma style cheapie (for a synthetic), but probably as good or better than many non-synths.

			If you want to use a top fully synthetic oil in the transaxle yet retain a good gearchange, Redline MT90 is the one to go for.

			But its not cheap:

			Manual Transmission Lubricant - Synthetic
			3.78ltr...£46.50
			.98litr...£11.50

			MT90 is their 90W GL-5 full synthetic - many use in the transaxle and front diff. More suitable than MTL for the trasaxle being heavier

			Avalaible onky from Redline themselves in UK

			====

			MTL - Manual Transmission Lubricant, is a 75W/80W GL-4 gear oil (frequently usde in Golf GTi gearboxes to improve gearchange). It is used in place of the normal gear oil, providing excellent gear protection; it has a coefficient of friction dsigned for making easier gear shifting, especially when the box is cold. Avalaible from C & R Enterprises or Redline themselves in UK. Its is possibly a bit light viscosity for Syncros (see Redline MT90)

Hacksawbob at 15:30, 30 October 2006

2006-10-30T15:30:11Z

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'''Toomanytoys'''
But front diff can take GL5 80 or 75w90 oil.. so put in a good brand and spend as much as you want on it... You dont need a huge amount..