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Dugcati: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2024-10-15T14:13:26Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	'''Vactan''' - Widely adopted by 80/90 members as you don't need to paint the treated area immediately so great for touching stone chips before they become a bigger problem and/or during prep for a repaint. Flows well into recesses such as seams. It is an acrylic based on tannin. Shelf-life one year.		'''Vactan''' - Widely adopted by 80/90 members as you don't need to paint the treated area immediately so great for touching stone chips before they become a bigger problem and/or during prep for a repaint. Flows well into recesses such as seams. It is an acrylic based on tannin. Shelf-life one year.
	Very similar to Dinitrol RC800 Converust liquid.		Very similar to Dinitrol RC800 Converust liquid.

			'''Fertan''' - Another widely used product in the vehicle restoration scene, brush on, leave for 24 hours to work then wipe off with a damp cloth, suitable for treating steel and iron surfaces, even if they have to be left for weeks or months prior to final painting.
			Rust is removed and prevented from re-forming for up to six months so delays in your painting schedule will not be a disaster.
			Fertan can be overcoated with oil or water based paints, epoxy, lacquer, wax etc.
			[https://www.fertan.co.uk/product/fertan-rust-convert Fertan Rust Converter]

HarryMann: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-24T11:20:29Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	Very similar to Dinitrol RC800 Converust liquid.		Very similar to Dinitrol RC800 Converust liquid.

	'''Bilt-Hamber Laboratories''' Billericay based British firm that produces some world-class rust removal, rust prevention and other clever chemicals. Not over-priced and easy to order on-line.
			'''Bilt-Hamber Laboratories''' Billericay based British firm that produces some world-class rust removal, rust prevention and other clever chemicals. Not over-priced and easy to order on-line directly

	[http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html Bilt-Hamber Labs homepage]		[http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html Bilt-Hamber Labs homepage]

HarryMann: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-24T11:19:44Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	[http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html Bilt-Hamber Labs homepage]		[http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html Bilt-Hamber Labs homepage]

	[http://www.bilthamber.com/hydrate80.html Hydrate 80 (BH equivalent to Vactan and RC800 rust convertors)		[http://www.bilthamber.com/hydrate80.html Hydrate 80 (BH equivalent to Vactan and RC800 rust convertors)]

	[http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50howto.html B-H Dynax S50 wax] A top quality cavity wax, notable for being supplied also in aerosol format with 360 degree 2 ft wand.		[http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50howto.html B-H Dynax S50 wax] A top quality cavity wax, notable for being supplied also in aerosol format with 360 degree 2 ft wand.

HarryMann: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-24T11:19:15Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	===Cavity waxes and treatments===		===Cavity waxes and treatments===

	'''Waxoyl''' Deserves an article in itself... but today there are maybe better products around		'''Waxoyl''' Deserves an article in itself... but today there are maybe better products around!

	[http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50comparison.html Bilthamber Dynax wax]		[http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50comparison.html Bilthamber Dynax wax]
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	So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).		So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).


			'''Bilt-Hamber Labs:''' [http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50howto.html B-H Dynax S50 wax Bilt-Hamber Labs (Billericay) Dynax S-50 cavity wax]

			B-HL products come out top notch in tests. Their Dynax cavity wax is notable for being supplied in a useful DIY format, large aerosol with a 360 degree 2ft long wand. This is supposed to pentetrate into and behind rust, water and dirt that cannot be removed, and stay there, self-healing, like some of the Dinitrol waxes. Of course, make as good an effort as possible to rattle & blast or vacuum out as much as possible.

			£12-95 for a large (750ml) aerosol seem pretty reasonable value, as with this system it gets to the places others might not?

	==DIY Approach==		==DIY Approach==

HarryMann: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-24T11:09:38Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	'''Vactan''' - Widely adopted by 80/90 members as you don't need to paint the treated area immediately so great for touching stone chips before they become a bigger problem and/or during prep for a repaint. Flows well into recesses such as seams. It is an acrylic based on tannin. Shelf-life one year.		'''Vactan''' - Widely adopted by 80/90 members as you don't need to paint the treated area immediately so great for touching stone chips before they become a bigger problem and/or during prep for a repaint. Flows well into recesses such as seams. It is an acrylic based on tannin. Shelf-life one year.
			Very similar to Dinitrol RC800 Converust liquid.

			'''Bilt-Hamber Laboratories''' Billericay based British firm that produces some world-class rust removal, rust prevention and other clever chemicals. Not over-priced and easy to order on-line.

			[http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html Bilt-Hamber Labs homepage]

			[http://www.bilthamber.com/hydrate80.html Hydrate 80 (BH equivalent to Vactan and RC800 rust convertors)

			[http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50howto.html B-H Dynax S50 wax] A top quality cavity wax, notable for being supplied also in aerosol format with 360 degree 2 ft wand.

CovKid: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-05T18:33:41Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).		So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).

	===DIY Approach===		==DIY Approach==

	This one suggested by sarran1955 for de-rusting wheels		This one suggested by sarran1955 for de-rusting wheels

CovKid: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-05T18:33:00Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).		So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).

	~~'''~~DIY Approach~~'''~~		===DIY Approach===

	This one suggested by sarran1955 for de-rusting wheels		This one suggested by sarran1955 for de-rusting wheels

	You will need:		'''You will need:'''

	A plastic bucket.		A plastic bucket.
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	I sachet of epsom salts, bath salts will do, and you get lovely smelling wheels. :rofl :rofl		I sachet of epsom salts, bath salts will do, and you get lovely smelling wheels. :rofl :rofl

	What you do:		'''What you do:'''

	Mix up the wallpaper paste with cold water, double strength.		Mix up the wallpaper paste with cold water, double strength.

CovKid: /* Paints, oils, waxes and treatments */

2010-10-05T18:32:09Z

Paints, oils, waxes and treatments

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	So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).		So there is closed section wax and treatments, like Dynax, Dinitrol ML etc., that aren't really suitable for under arches, or open chassis where stone-chip type products tend to be the final layer (after good prep and paint).

			'''DIY Approach'''

			This one suggested by sarran1955 for de-rusting wheels

			You will need:

			A plastic bucket.

			A plastic watering can, with sprinkler

			A pack of wallpaper paste.

			2 or 3 sachets of kettle descaler powder, (the sort you find free with coffee filters) (Sulphamic acid for the chemists)

			I sachet of epsom salts, bath salts will do, and you get lovely smelling wheels. :rofl :rofl

			What you do:

			Mix up the wallpaper paste with cold water, double strength.

			leave 2 mins.

			Stir in sachets of descaler, wait 5 mins.

			brush rusty bits liberally, (it might be a good idea to have a responsible adult nearby) :rofl

			Leave 1/2 hour.

			Wash off with water.

			If all the rust is gone , make up the epsom salts, one handful to 2 litres water, (responsible adults have larger hands.) :roll: ,
			Water liberally. (this stops the reaction and passivates the metal)

			Blow dry with compressor.

			Paint straight away.

	==Observe!==		==Observe!==

HarryMann: /* RTV Silicone */

2010-07-29T11:16:01Z

RTV Silicone

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	See also: [[Areas that rust - Behind VW underseal\|Behind peeling/bubbling underseal (very similar to above, illustrated topic on removing u/seal and a temporary repair)]]		See also: [[Areas that rust - Behind VW underseal\|Behind peeling/bubbling underseal (very similar to above, illustrated topic on removing u/seal and a temporary repair)]]

	==RTV Silicone==		==RTV Silicone and Seam-Sealers==
	If you need to seal something up to prevent further water ingress (e.g. rear ends of sill sections, from thrown water) then there's not much better or quicker than proper RTV silicone (about £6/tube at your local Motofax, clear or black usually)...		If you need to seal something up to prevent further water ingress (e.g. rear ends of sill sections, from thrown water) then there's not much better or quicker than proper RTV silicone (about £6/tube at your local Motofax, clear or black usually)...
	If gap between two sections/seams is too big for paint to seal it, wipe a bit of RTV along it. Can also be used to stick corrugated plastic pieces in-place to block large holes from continual water spray (cut-up old Estate Agent signs are the sort of thing, often left lying about)..		If gap between two sections/seams is too big for paint to seal it, wipe a bit of RTV along it. Can also be used to stick corrugated plastic pieces in-place to block large holes from continual water spray (cut-up old Estate Agent signs are the sort of thing, often left lying about)..
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	But always check that if mud/water can get behind something, it can also get out again, or air (e.g. plastic can be clipped, self-tappered, RTV'd or even jammed into wheel-arches, under front cab-step etc. temporarily so they can be quickly removed for a clean and brush-up.		But always check that if mud/water can get behind something, it can also get out again, or air (e.g. plastic can be clipped, self-tappered, RTV'd or even jammed into wheel-arches, under front cab-step etc. temporarily so they can be quickly removed for a clean and brush-up.

	~~HarryMann~~		Seam-sealers skin up and dry much quicker, and for sticking panels in-place, attaching temporary plates for blocking holes etc, soem prefer to use these mainly polyurethane sealers.


			[HM]

	==Internal panels==		==Internal panels==

HarryMann: /* Put rust on-hold (temporary treatment) */

2010-07-29T11:12:05Z

Put rust on-hold (temporary treatment)

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	Finish off with a spray of Dinitrol or Waxoyl inside member		Finish off with a spray of Dinitrol or Waxoyl inside member

	[[Areas that rust - Behind VW underseal\|Behind peeling/bubbling underseal (very similar to above, illustrated topic on removing u/seal and a temporary repair)]]		See also: [[Areas that rust - Behind VW underseal\|Behind peeling/bubbling underseal (very similar to above, illustrated topic on removing u/seal and a temporary repair)]]

	==RTV Silicone==		==RTV Silicone==