oh no...I feel an engine conversion coming on...

[silverbullet]

A bit of background: we've run a 1999 Sharan 2.0 petrol since 2002 and in all that time it's yet to rack up 60k It's been super reliable and until we "went all T3" was always big enough and pretty economical too with it's ADY 8v petrol engine. You can see where this is going...
Now we need to shed a vehicle as the mem'sahib has finally warmed to how driving her own T3 will make her look super cool with all the other mums (they all want a van really)
Then I was trawling IG16 and found a discussion about 2E and other engine swaps, including the ADY and what a great torque curve it has, never mind the 115 PS:

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The Sharan isn't worth a light now (oh the depreciation ) and when I look at it, all I can see are: engine c/w pas pump, ecu, wiring, immobilizer, 15" steels, brakes...I reckon it's a breaker.
These will be the only diesel parts I'm going to buy (not planning on going to the dark side)
Bell housing (sorted already) engine bars and mounts, coolant hoses, engine protection. Sump may need a bit of TIG welding/modification, not sure if the jX type will fit these later engines.
Heat gun modification to the fuel tank (safety first etc.) to clear the starter? Get a down pipe to comnnect to the wbx exhaust can and then pm the guy at IG16 (who's had a year's happy motoring from his 14" syncro conversion) and see if he can help with the wiring.
I reckon it's a goer

[syncropaddy]

I dont see why not and I reckon its a better option than a Subaru transplant. The only question I would have is the amount of available torque low down so youd have to be careful with your ratios

[Simon Baxter]

Theres a bit of talk over the 2E et al conversions on the brick-yard, makes interesting reading.
Fairly much VW lego apart from the exhaust manifold and the downpipe.
I would be interested in doing one, can't say that a Subaru conversion fills me with enthusiasm.
MattFlints bus wasn't a bad one I seem to remember, just the mounting of the fuel pump or something he used to have problems with but every time I've been off road and Matt has been there he seemed to always have the most reliable van/quietest and one of the most capable, but I do appreciate a lot of that is down to him being a good driver.
Got to be a good option when the WBX inevitably goes pop.

[silverbullet]

It's the interchangability of the 827 (is that correct?) engine architecture that makes this one possible. Exhaust-wise I'll probably bodge something m/s together so I can drive it down to Longlife again and let the man do his thing. There's nothing wrong with the (Brickwerks, I think) s/s exhaust system so those pukka syncro pipes will be up for sale eventually...
It is a really quiet and free-revving engine, I always seem to forget to change up a gear so it should be well suited to the low-geared syncro. The Sharan seems to pull 3k rpm at 60 or thereabouts.
I just know the worst bit of this will be unpicking the wiring loom. Must speak to anyone else who's done a similar year and type of engine swap.
Time to gather up the bits first. I take it that all diesel bellhousings are the same dimensionally, 2wd or syncro? Can one be modded into the other?

[Simon Baxter]

VW Lego.
Bit of wiring..
At least it has a cable ( I think)

ADY according to my book is..
85kw, 115ps 2.0l 4 cylinder fitted to Corrado, Golf, Passat, Sharan, Vento between 07/94 and 02/00.

[Simon Baxter]

Syncro bell housing differs in the fact that it has breathers and has an extra bit cut out, nothing that can't be sawn out if you don't mind running without the breathers.

[silverbullet]

Cool. Bit of machining to fit the breathers, no problem. Yes it does have a throttle cable (phew!)
PS I've got a subaru in the "silver bullet" but what bothers me the most about it is the engine management and parts availability in the long run. I wonder if an EJ running, say, 16v Golf engine management would be a better proposition?

[Simon Baxter]

Piece of pi$$ then.

[Aidan]

MattFlints is a '87 Passat engine iirc, upright installation with adapter plate onto petrol gearbox, no need to mod the tank or sump - basically they just took the engine out of the passat complete with the engine mounting bar and mounts and then fabricated some bits to attach the engine mount to the syncro bash bars which are held by the old wbx engine bar
problem with fuel seems to be inability of passat pump to cope at high revs in high temps or low speeds, probably cavitating the fuel because pump runs hot (lubed by fuel isn't it) - we think this is because in the car there's a lift pump in the tank supplying the main pump, in Matt's installation the main pump is simply gravity fed, might be worth keeping the T3 fuel pump in the system

[Simon Baxter]

t3 pump is up to the job I think, there was some chat on brick-yard about it, I checked the flow rate of the 2.1l T3 pump and it was up to the job.

[silverbullet]

Sharan is transverse so none of the engine mounts are useful anyway, I was going to go for the 50 degree install to keep it simple and use off-the shelf parts. Does Matts upright/20 degree fit below the low engine hatch as this is going in a caravelle?

[Aidan]

yes Matt's clears the engine hatch fine

that's going to be quite a bit of work me thinks

[silverbullet]

I think I need to join IG16 and get some pics/info from the fella there who's got one up and running. I don't want to go the adaptor plate route from choice but the upright install clearly has some advantages. pm to matt pending...

[Simon Baxter]

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[ELVIS]

I have been in mrhutch's gti van and after chatting at length just cant see the benefits of going subaru over a gti TBH other to say you have one!!

It is sooooooooooooo driveable and 'kin quick as you like.

i think its in a thread somewhere but he used a 2.0 passat (as alot cheaper than anything with the words 'golf' and 'gti' on the boot) but has same engine/injection.I think after buying a car or two and selling bits conversion was near as damn it £0 and used all diesel bits. In his words - if you dont bother fitting gti clocks you can wire it all into diesel 'black box' in engine bay.

End of the day as long as you can do 70ish but more importantly , maintain road speed on hills with out resorting to tap dance on pedals. Garyd gives good mpg figures.

Very simple conversion and cheap.

After reading loads of "*%&$ subaru conversion' threads with problems/issues and the final bill/cost it appears 2.0 vw conversion is a no brainer.

If i did (or end up doing) less miles than i do now , 2E is deffo on the cards.