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I am running lowered avo springs and shocks -50mm in my Westy high top. They are regularly bottoming out when the van is fully loaded with people and camping gear and the wheels are catching on the arches. (probably a bit knackered)
Looking for an upgrade, I was hoping to get the 2wd lift springs from gowesty in the US https://gowesty.com/products/coil-sprin ... 5058824357, but importing them seems a pain and camervanculture don't seem to have them anymore.
Along with Bilstein b6 shocks or the heavy duty bilsteins from gowesty.
I know this has all been asked before, but supply seems to be totally different to the last time I looked a few years back, there doesn't seem to be much choice.

Is it worth the hassle and cost of importing from gowesty or is there something equivalent in the uk?

How do you know which bilsteins are suitable for a camper? I suspect the avos were more suited to a Multivan

With it being a high top, I don't fancy the auto lane change on windy days, but would like something that handles well when the vans full or its a bit rough.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.  :ok

 
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Brickwerks have done a 2WD lift kit in the past: https://brickwerks.co.uk/product/suspen ... it-t3-2wd/

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It says out of stock on their website, but it would be worth dropping them a line to find out what the actual situation is, as they could probably advise on something suitable for your van from the stuff that have available.
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The 30mm lower vw factory suspension is a great set up, handles well and gives a smooth ride . I wouldnt go high with a high top.
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clift_d wrote: 01 Feb 2024, 14:59 Brickwerks have done a 2WD lift kit in the past: https://brickwerks.co.uk/product/suspen ... it-t3-2wd/

It says out of stock on their website, but it would be worth dropping them a line to find out what the actual situation is, as they could probably advise on something suitable for your van from the stuff that have available.

Thanks I have added my email to be notified, I would be interested to hear of anyone that's used them?
 
multisi wrote: 01 Feb 2024, 15:01 The 30mm lower vw factory suspension is a great set up, handles well and gives a smooth ride . I wouldnt go high with a high top.

I always thought that, lowering was the best option, but having been in a few newer 4x4s on the road, they seem to defy gravity in the corners. I wonder if decent handling is possible with a bit of height in a high top. there are a few on this thread too viewtopic.php?t=105636&start=510.

 
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If you want height then just go for standard vw height used on basic models like panel vans, cheaper as well. I have some nice low mileage front springs if you want full standard height , have sold the rears. I only use and like the vw 30mm lower set up.
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Thanks for the offer for the springs, I still have the original set that came with my van in the garage, always thought they were too soft, but that could have been the shocks.
I might be overthinking it because my current setup is rubbish, if you believe the hype, you hear people saying that the gowesty springs are better than most modern cars, I just find it hard to believe there isn't something equivalent.
 
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There aren't many companies with the capital to design, test and order short runs of often slow selling stuff for 30+ year old vehicles, and Brexit has limited the import of some of the available European stuff, but that market has changed a bit due to TUV and other regulations and realistically most of the new stuff is now being produced for the hoards of T5 and T6 boys and girls who are happily spending money on their nice, newer vans. It's hard enough to get standard new stuff for our vans other than cheap made in china plastic and rubber bits. We still have an amazing amount of stuff available, some of which I didn't think would ever be remanufactured, but in a changing world we will see simple things like springs, dampers, clutches and the like become increasingly hard to source as the companies that could make them focus on the here and now.
Most of us got into these vans late 90s early 2000s when they were cheap and plentiful and lots of original used parts were available as well as genuine parts from VW, that is no longer the case.
US market is much bigger and GoWesty have capital to do it and a market to sell into and quickly recycle that investment, they have also been quite hardnosed as a business, and stayed largely dedicated to the Vanagon but look at their site they are out of stock of lots of stuff now and getting stuff made is harder than it was 5 or 10 years ago, excess capacity has been lost in the pursuit of efficiency and old skills are being lost all the time for a multitude of reasons, and it won't be long before these vehicles are largely forced off the road, so if you aren't doing a lot of miles going back to stock might be your best bet, and just put up with the deteriorating roads; dampers are cheap enough and there's a choice of stock spec available from plenty of sources at all price points, but springs do seem to be quite limited now.
Paul at Vantopia was selling the Schwenk springs, not sure if he'll be getting more in; CVC used to be best buddies with GoWesty but don't seem to be in bed with them to the same extent as they were, but have made new relationships with other suppliers.
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I went back to stock from -30mm Bluestar springs because the front spoiler was always scraping on something and I always hit my head into the gutter above the sliding door.
With Bilstein B4s it is not bouncy at all. It was kinda soft with cheap standard KYBs though.
I think you still can order the Bilsteins even at local motor factors.
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With 30mm lower set up my caravelle front spoiler is 25 cm from the ground.
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Aidan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 13:34
YMMV as the yanks say :D

Forgive my abbreviation ignorance again but what does YMMV mean?
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Porkscratching wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 14:18
Aidan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 13:34
YMMV as the yanks say :D

Forgive my abbreviation ignorance again but what does YMMV mean?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... glish/ymmv

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Thanks Aidan, makes sense about the supply, I have put myself on the notify list for Schwenk springs.

Do shocks make a huge difference? Does anyone know how much the Bilsteins differ, B4, B6 and the HD ones from gowesty?

I think I will get all the bushes done, put on some new shocks and put it back to standard, maybe something will come up while I am doing all that.

Its a shame to see the numbers of t25s dropping, seen it on holiday this year driving to Spain, noticeably less on the motorway than other years.
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multisi wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 14:09 With 30mm lower set up my caravelle front spoiler is 25 cm from the ground.

Then my front springs might were lower than -30mm
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My van is 30cm to body work below the front bumper with 16s with a 60 radius tyre, most of the time its fine, great round corners etc. Things only get problematic when it's fully loaded with camping gear or the roads rough, which unfortunately is most of its yearly miles.
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ZsZ wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 14:39
Porkscratching wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 14:18
Aidan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 13:34
YMMV as the yanks say :D

Forgive my abbreviation ignorance again but what does YMMV mean?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... glish/ymmv

:)

Still none the wiser. Pity you couldn't answer me directly instead of a link to a cookie laden website.
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