well if the syncronaut is quite experienced they will soon decide if its a bit too much, I am sure.. Anyone we know?
would be good to go to a few areas with "extremes" just to see how bad things could be...
convince me...
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Hmm. We obviously have two camps......
Folk that love the VW but recognise its limits (Where is my Matey Harlequin
) and the Zealots (same as the landy idiots wi the leather hats, wax jackets and no brain) who don't have a clue. I will remain neutral until i have witnessed the legend itself offroad but bloody hell am i in need of some convincing as to how difflocks can help your lack of clearance or your approach and departure and ramp/breakover angles.
There is a quote on here somewhere saying they are the best greenlaner available...... My hairy a*** they are, they can NOT drive chapelgate /. stanage edge / sarn helen / strata florida / walna scar / garburn pass. these are ranged throughout the country and are the best lanes in there areas and probably the best lanes britain has to offer.
I STILL AREN'T TRYING TO CAUSE OFFENCE AS I AM WELL AWARE MY TRUCK HAS LIMITATIONS, JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THIS IN TO SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT, I WILL GO LANING WITH ANY ONE OF YOU AND AM PREPARED TO EAT MY HAT BUT BEWARE THESE LISTED LANES ARE BEYOND YOU!!!!!!!!!! I will take any one of you on more reasonable lanes also
Folk that love the VW but recognise its limits (Where is my Matey Harlequin
) and the Zealots (same as the landy idiots wi the leather hats, wax jackets and no brain) who don't have a clue. I will remain neutral until i have witnessed the legend itself offroad but bloody hell am i in need of some convincing as to how difflocks can help your lack of clearance or your approach and departure and ramp/breakover angles.There is a quote on here somewhere saying they are the best greenlaner available...... My hairy a*** they are, they can NOT drive chapelgate /. stanage edge / sarn helen / strata florida / walna scar / garburn pass. these are ranged throughout the country and are the best lanes in there areas and probably the best lanes britain has to offer.
I STILL AREN'T TRYING TO CAUSE OFFENCE AS I AM WELL AWARE MY TRUCK HAS LIMITATIONS, JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THIS IN TO SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT, I WILL GO LANING WITH ANY ONE OF YOU AND AM PREPARED TO EAT MY HAT BUT BEWARE THESE LISTED LANES ARE BEYOND YOU!!!!!!!!!! I will take any one of you on more reasonable lanes also
toomanytoys wrote:well if the syncronaut is quite experienced they will soon decide if its a bit too much, I am sure.. Anyone we know?
would be good to go to a few areas with "extremes" just to see how bad things could be...
Not sure what you mean to be honest. I know My and My Trucks limits and am experienced offroad but there is always the urge to push it a bit to see whether you can exceed these limits and in a convoy with vehicles that have good clearance, massive torque and a full selection of low gears it would be easy to get caught out. i am sure You can see my point as an event organiser when i say i need real info about what these rare and different (frankly they interest Me) Machines can and can't do.
Here is what happens when ya push the envelope
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Landy, dont know if you took my posts the wrong way.. you seem to have quoted me a few times...
I have no biased opinion.. just amazement of what a syncro can do.. I have limited offroad experience.. but would love to go "play" somewhere there are some varying levels of madness... and have some experience on hand..
Stanage edge? is that Derbyshire near Carver rocks?
Just reread your post.... I meant if the syncro driver is experienced.. he will either have a go.. or say.. nope.. too tough for me/my syncro...
Oh and certainly can see your points (many of them) and agree.. but I dont think I disagreed in the first place!!
I have no biased opinion.. just amazement of what a syncro can do.. I have limited offroad experience.. but would love to go "play" somewhere there are some varying levels of madness... and have some experience on hand..
Stanage edge? is that Derbyshire near Carver rocks?
Just reread your post.... I meant if the syncro driver is experienced.. he will either have a go.. or say.. nope.. too tough for me/my syncro...
Oh and certainly can see your points (many of them) and agree.. but I dont think I disagreed in the first place!!
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Heh heh, ouch.
It is interesting to see the difering capabilities of diferent vehicles, at the syncro events there is usually a few comparative vehicles there and they almost never fall consistantly either above or below the Syncro, they just have diferent strengths and weaknesses.
From a safety and organisational point of view it would be daft not to consider how those diferences might effect the running of any particular event or section and another tricky point to consider is always the relative skills or lack of displayed by any driver.
I'm sure reading back through this thread you can see plenty of realistic assesments of the Syncro's failings from people who use them often. It isn't a surprise though that on the whole the enthusiasts here want to say "Syncros are great". You might be better served picking a few of those that answered the question and approaching them privately now just to assure yourself you have it straight. I wouldn't want the local politics at the moment to colour your view of the Syncro or of the majority of our membership.
I'm interested to see how it pans out, will there be some kind of post match analysis online where we can see?
It is interesting to see the difering capabilities of diferent vehicles, at the syncro events there is usually a few comparative vehicles there and they almost never fall consistantly either above or below the Syncro, they just have diferent strengths and weaknesses.
From a safety and organisational point of view it would be daft not to consider how those diferences might effect the running of any particular event or section and another tricky point to consider is always the relative skills or lack of displayed by any driver.
I'm sure reading back through this thread you can see plenty of realistic assesments of the Syncro's failings from people who use them often. It isn't a surprise though that on the whole the enthusiasts here want to say "Syncros are great". You might be better served picking a few of those that answered the question and approaching them privately now just to assure yourself you have it straight. I wouldn't want the local politics at the moment to colour your view of the Syncro or of the majority of our membership.
I'm interested to see how it pans out, will there be some kind of post match analysis online where we can see?
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All that aside, bet you can count the number of people on this forum who bought a Syncro purely for out and out off road performance on erm . .1 finger?
AFAIK most of the 'syncronauts' have migrated over from the 2WD 80-90 scene and combine mainstream shows with some off road fun at syncronaut meetings whilst enjoying not getting stuck on boggy campsites or similar away from the scene.
And that's the best thing about a Syncro, it's a jack of all trades. It's pleasant to drive on & off road without any mods, doesn't cost a fortune to run, maintain or insure and there's plenty of scope to develop one into something more extreme if thats what floats your boat.
A slanging match between the 2 camps will see no winners, LR's are good at some things, Syncro's at others. Apart from having 4WD they have very little in common as far as I can see.
AFAIK most of the 'syncronauts' have migrated over from the 2WD 80-90 scene and combine mainstream shows with some off road fun at syncronaut meetings whilst enjoying not getting stuck on boggy campsites or similar away from the scene.
And that's the best thing about a Syncro, it's a jack of all trades. It's pleasant to drive on & off road without any mods, doesn't cost a fortune to run, maintain or insure and there's plenty of scope to develop one into something more extreme if thats what floats your boat.
A slanging match between the 2 camps will see no winners, LR's are good at some things, Syncro's at others. Apart from having 4WD they have very little in common as far as I can see.
I must agree with BBB. It's horses for courses but generally Syncro's fit the bill for those of us that like our vehicles to be multi-utility wagons.
I personally bought mine as an expedition vehicle, something that would allow me to go into the great unkown for months at a time with the utmost confidence and comfort - rather than a wing and a prayor and living out of a space more suited for breeding hamsters.
Now having said that, I haven't yet seen a properly kitted out Syncro stuck and the off roading ability constantly surprises me. For someone who was brought up on a farm I know that the Syncro can handle any of what I would call "every day" off roading challenges that I would come accross using it as a work horse - sure if you're gonna throw it down a vertical ravine with F8ck off great big rocks strewn all over the place then you're gonna have problems.
On reflection I would say that the majority of us would find our own limits before we found our "beloved" Syncro's.
Fair comment?
Amulet
I personally bought mine as an expedition vehicle, something that would allow me to go into the great unkown for months at a time with the utmost confidence and comfort - rather than a wing and a prayor and living out of a space more suited for breeding hamsters.
Now having said that, I haven't yet seen a properly kitted out Syncro stuck and the off roading ability constantly surprises me. For someone who was brought up on a farm I know that the Syncro can handle any of what I would call "every day" off roading challenges that I would come accross using it as a work horse - sure if you're gonna throw it down a vertical ravine with F8ck off great big rocks strewn all over the place then you're gonna have problems.
On reflection I would say that the majority of us would find our own limits before we found our "beloved" Syncro's.
Fair comment?
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I only quoted You Toomanytoys as You seem to be replying reasonably not because i am having a go at You. I fully expect You to stick up for your chosen steed and wouldn't have it any other way
I will post piccys of the Syncros in action and hope they do well and also will be the first to admit my doubts were borne out of my lack of knowledge, though that works both ways if i spend 2 days dragging the Vans up hillsides on a rope i'll mention it
. I say again i arent like the idiot landy drivers some of you have come across and only really wanted to see what i was dealing with as they are a long way away from the Jeeps and Landys i am experienced with. You think You are hated in 4x4 circles go to a Landy day in a J33p and see what reception you get!.
Matt, oh dear oh dear, there is always one isnt there, you are an idiot if You think crawling at sub 5mph over rocks is environmental abuse, i always assess a route first to see whether sodden ground or any other problem means we will permanently damage the surface of the lane and am a GLASS member and follow there rules at all times. When was the last time you were on stanage edge? Are you part of the focus group for Stanage Edge or involved in keeping this route open and in good order and trying to stop idiots going off track to tackle the illegal bombhole or are you just talking out of you rear end?
I will post piccys of the Syncros in action and hope they do well and also will be the first to admit my doubts were borne out of my lack of knowledge, though that works both ways if i spend 2 days dragging the Vans up hillsides on a rope i'll mention it
. I say again i arent like the idiot landy drivers some of you have come across and only really wanted to see what i was dealing with as they are a long way away from the Jeeps and Landys i am experienced with. You think You are hated in 4x4 circles go to a Landy day in a J33p and see what reception you get!.Matt, oh dear oh dear, there is always one isnt there, you are an idiot if You think crawling at sub 5mph over rocks is environmental abuse, i always assess a route first to see whether sodden ground or any other problem means we will permanently damage the surface of the lane and am a GLASS member and follow there rules at all times. When was the last time you were on stanage edge? Are you part of the focus group for Stanage Edge or involved in keeping this route open and in good order and trying to stop idiots going off track to tackle the illegal bombhole or are you just talking out of you rear end?
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Matt, oh dear oh dear, there is always one isnt there, you are an idiot if You think crawling at sub 5mph over rocks is environmental abuse, i always assess a route first to see whether sodden ground or any other problem means we will permanently damage the surface of the lane and am a GLASS member and follow there rules at all times. When was the last time you were on stanage edge? Are you part of the focus group for Stanage Edge or involved in keeping this route open and in good order and trying to stop idiots going off track to tackle the illegal bombhole or are you just talking out of you rear end?
Glad to hear you are not one of the idiots ...............................
http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/index/ne ... tm?id=9689
If you are part of the focus group you'll know who has steward ship of the land then ??
its now become to expensive to maintain as a hill farm due amongst other things inc. the single payment system, damage caused to stone walls,hegde and fencew lines, admittedly not just by 4x4's
That is good. I am glad You aren't an enemy (or another misinformed anti). I jumped on the post as We have too many people trying to ban my hobby and reading your earlier post made me see red. You have my apologies. Tho i hope the previous post was designed to see if i would bite rather than that you actually believe riding that lane is vandalism as it clearly is not if the guidelines are followed.
I will be organizing a route down in Derbyshire very shortly (maybe 2 months tops). Last time i was there we saw a idiot driving illegally but we couldn't get his reg no.
Hope i havn't offended You
I will be organizing a route down in Derbyshire very shortly (maybe 2 months tops). Last time i was there we saw a idiot driving illegally but we couldn't get his reg no.
Hope i havn't offended You
Cool, i was indeed "baiting" 
If every country side user behaved themselfs, inc walkers not using footpaths,cyclists keeping to bridle ways, and 4x4's giving due care
to fauna and flora...
I too have done many of the lanes of the peak
http://www.club80-90.co.uk/splashbourne05/sp051.htm
the Drop down to Monsal head is stunning
If every country side user behaved themselfs, inc walkers not using footpaths,cyclists keeping to bridle ways, and 4x4's giving due care
to fauna and flora...
I too have done many of the lanes of the peak
http://www.club80-90.co.uk/splashbourne05/sp051.htm
the Drop down to Monsal head is stunning