1983 Jokjer petrol Eber B1L not firing

[waltraud]

Hi all,

my ebr which i think is a B1L will start up and blow cold for approx a minute or two, the pump ticks as usual and it al seems good but i suspect that despite the fuel being there and light on the thermostat it won't fire up, seems like it's probably been there for a while so i'm tempted to service it, take apart, de-coke and put in new plugs and gaskets but ...little time etc. SO.. if it's primarily a worn or sooted up glow plug can these be changed with the unit in situ? I can see the blug end and electrical connectors from under the van. Anyone know a reasnably prices place to get a new glow plug or indeed have one to sell.
NB Whilst i'm here, anyone know what a westy front table and leg's worth?/ costs? cheers. T

[pirate-pete]

I wouldn't try decoking it until you've checked a bit more. Will be hard to find gaskets for these heaters. If it is the original Westy one with two thick hot air pipes coming out one end it will be a B2L for petrol or D2L for Derv.

If the fuel pump is ticking then that is a good sign. Try taking off the outlet pipe and make sure the fuel is spurting out on each tick of the pump.

Was going to say another good check would be to see if the glow plug works OK by checking the battery voltage across it when you first switch it on. However if you have a petrol one I think it has a spark plug rather than a glow plug and you may have to test that differently. On the diesel if you have fuel from your ticking pump, and heat from a working glow plug, then chance is you will get smoke and heat. Then it is a case of making sure the fan works to blow the hot air through to the van before the overheat sensors cut in and shut everything down.

The glow plugs do come up a lot on ebay new so if you need one you may find one there. I did a fair bit of work on mine last winter and eventually got it working again. Needed a new tin controller relay box thingy to get it to a stage where I could start it by jumpering a wire across the timer terminals. Thanks to lhd Rob here who sold me a working thermostat, I can now start it normally.

[waltraud]

Very helpful Pete, thanks. Do you know if i can take out the plug with it in situ? I know that in the papers that came with it was some stuf about a B1L model but not sure that this necessarily means it is B1L. Its an 83 Joker. Will test the pump as you say. I think it does work as I'm pretty sue that when I got underneath fte a while there was a slight petrol smell which I thought made sense if petrol is being pumped into the unit but not firing, bit like on an over choked morris minor!
Do you happen to know if B1L and B2L have the same plug- you're right, it seems like a spark plug and I have wondered if just cleaning this might do the trick. The fan certainly works on initial start up.

Do you know of any suppliers/dealers that might keep old parts? Thanks.

BW

Tim

[waltraud]

NB I'm in Stokey, where abouts are you?

Tim

[lhd]

Check the exhaust isn't blocked with rust too.
Rob.

[pirate-pete]

NB I'm in Stokey, where abouts are you?

Tim

Wood Green so not too far from you - am just about to go away until beginning of Oct but if you like I don't mind taking a look once I'm back. Mine is an 83 Joker too so should be the same. Somewhere I've got a pdf of a troubleshooting guide in German that I tried translating with Google Translate. Once I get the translation into electronic format I'll post here but for now it is just scribbles on a bit of paper.

[Oldiebut goodie]

[waltraud]

Thanks, i also found the eber guide and printed it off, Pete would be great if you would be able to have a look when u return, happy to reciprocate in some way if you like- i've got a welder for instance. Will try out your suggestions at the weekend, thanks.

Anyone else by any chance have a new or known good B2L plug?

cheers
Tim

[pirate-pete]

Thanks, i also found the eber guide and printed it off, Pete would be great if you would be able to have a look when u return, happy to reciprocate in some way if you like- i've got a welder for instance. Will try out your suggestions at the weekend, thanks.

Anyone else by any chance have a new or known good B2L plug?

cheers
Tim

I don't mind having a look. Not sure which eber guide you have as there are a few out there. Oldiebut goodie's guide shows what a B1L will look like and there is a B2L guide here that shows pics of the B2L just in case you do have the B1L after all.

http://westfaliat3.info/eberB2L-D2L.pdf

The wiring diagrams there may be slightly different to what is fitted in your van as these are for later heaters - with my D2L the thermostat circuit is a lot simpler than shown here as the earlier ones do not run the fuel flow at 25% when the set temp has been reached. What I can see from the B2L wiring diagram is that the spark plug also has a heater in like a glow plug but there will also be a spark generator inside the eber itself. A thread mentioning it here ...
http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/ebers ... 52639.html

Brickwerks also sell the new B2L glow plugs. This link should take you there but as I write this their webshop is down for maintenance
http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?p ... 1&Itemid=6 I'm not sure whether the one they have listed for earlier petrol vans is for earlier B2Ls or for a different model number.

Pete

[waltraud]

Now sorted, the old terminals were rusty and crusty and had little life left in them so i cut off the female spades going to the machine, put on new ones, cleaned all contacts, sealed all wires with seam sealer to stop moisture going into the end where the wires fit into the spade terminals and used a bit of vaseline on the terminals. I also took out the plug which looked ok and not that old and cleaned it up. Thanks for your help.

NB Does anyone know the ID of the fuel pipe going from the thin plastic tube into the machine- looks like 3mm or something of that sort. cheers, Tim

[pirate-pete]

Well done for getting fired up again.

When I sorted mine out last winter I also had to replace those bits of connecting hose. Found some on ebay by a seller called p-hose and described as "FUEL CLIPS & FUEL LINE JOINT PIECES Eberspacher/Webasto" for a fiver. Just checked his current listings and he still does some eber bits but not currently doing the hose.

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/p-hose/m.html?_d ... =12&_rdc=1

If you have 3mm hose you should be OK as according to ETKA it is 3.5x3mm hose with the plastic pipe bit listed as 4x1.25. The other bit of hose from the pump to the t-piece is shown as 5x3mm. I recall the installation guides says it is important you butt the plastic pipe up against the eber fuel intake so you don't get airlocks.