applying sound deadening & insulation to waxolyed panel?

[smadaa]

I am afraid we havent been on the board since buying our lovely van & having a panic the night before we went off on hols, not locking the sliding door. had gr8 advice (errr it needed a REALLLY REALLY hard slam )

we have just had an exterior respray (pics to follow in 2 weeks! so excited!)... the garage (blackfield garage nr calshot, hants) are brilliant & have taken so much care (100% recommend). The van was in pretty good nick, bit of welding but not much. they reckoned waxoyling the door panels was a good plan & are doing this on Monday/Tues.

only thing is, I was planning on sticking sound deadening & insulation on th inside of door panels. I am guessing that they wont stick on waxoyl?! if so, I am guessing more important to get waxoyl'd than insulate etc?

any views much appreciated

Annie

[AngeloEvs]

I had the same problem. Before I go into the method I used you could leave the top areas of the inner panels 'dry' condensation tends to run down the panels and its the bottom sections where they meet the floor where protection is most needed.

There are probably other methods but I used under carpet anti damp proof/insulation membrane that is very light only 3mm thick, white, etc, that is not moisture absorbent and has excellent thermal insulation properties. This is available from Band Q in a roll that will insulate an entire van for less than £10-00. I brushed all the interior panels with standard automotive grease and applied the membrane in small overlapping sections to that. The grease forms a vacuum and the membrane simply sticks to it as is extremely light. The grease is an effective barrier to the effects of condesnsation. Looking at it, its hard to imagine that it would be an effective insulator but it works extremely well. I have a small section under my rear seat where I have no insulation and, touching that, compared to the area covered was all the proof I needed during this really cold winter.

[smadaa]

thanks angelo. I guess it would stick to the waxoyl in just the same way. Not sure about sound deadening tho?

Anyone else tried putting sound deadening onto waxoyl treated panels?

[smadaa]

cheeky bump anyone else got experience of sound deadening & waxoyl?

[Westy End]

i dont have any experience but i will have in about a week's time. my van is coming out of the bodyshop too and i will be doing the same treatment to it prior to our april camping. i have bought B&Q aluminium thermal foil (like aluminium bubble wrap) and intend to stick this with aluminium tape to the panels. I was planning to brush on the waxoyl so that it didnt get to the edges and stick it directly to the panel. i guess that the bottom of the panel neednt be taped as the foil will stick with the waxoyl and be stretched enough not to bulge out from the panel. the wiki also recommends cutting shapes two inches larger than the panel to give better coverage at the edges.

see here

https://club8090.co.uk/wiki/Bo ... Insulation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

we could compare notes next week about our non stick insulation.

[smadaa]

Hi Westy
How did I miss that wiki page?! Doh. Yes me too, altho I dont think I will be able to do quite such a thorough job initially.. cant face taking furniture out to do opposite side panel - and i love my new paint job too much to put foil where u can see it (wiki showed insulation overlapping edge of cab step etc). I wonder if the cab mats slide around at all on that foil... the front seat box looks like fun!! Will dpend on how much else i get done & whether its a dry day (no garage).

Sounds like a good plan to compare . I am hoping to do it on Good Friday, unless its raining really heavily in which case depends if i think i can do it without getting interior of panels wet or damp .

[Westy End]

i have told the bodyshop not to replace the interior trim so that i can get at the panels directly - this means i have to do it before easter as we are camping then. however - it doesnt matter if it rains as i will just stay in the van (and probably inhale too many waxoyl fumes).

[AngeloEvs]

If its primarilly to insulate against sound why not apply the insulation to the rear of the interior panels?

[jiffies]

I too will be getting my van back from the sprayers next week. I was thinking of using flash banding from B&Q or similar to soundproof doors, floor, bulkhead etc. A fraction of the cost of specialist soundproofing. Again not sure if it will stick to Waxoyl. Anyone got any experience using flashing & just how effective it is? Then the wiki method for insulation looks like the way to go
Cheers
Jiffies

[Westy End]

progress update:

did the driver and passenger doors with two pieces of thermal wrap each - you have to leave a gap to allow the window to slide down the central spar. I waxoyled first and then used aluminium tape at the top of the door to fix wrap in place. i made it a snug fit to the panel and so did not need to stick it at the sides or the bottom.

tailgate was straightforward although no sticking required at all here. i cut the wrap an inch or two too tall and curled it under the top lip of the panel - better insulation and it held the wrap in place. again after waxoyling.

sliding door. hmmmmm. on my westy the trim is held on by some phillips screws at the top (easy) and some press in studs (b*"@tards) at the bottom. this meant that i only got to do the top. if anyone can tell me how to shift those studs without breaking the trim or the studs or losing my presence of mind then i would really appreciate it.

next job is to do the floor and battery boxes which apparently makes a big difference to road noise.

[smadaa]

Hi westy, youre ahead of me... just stuck an isolator on the battery & got cab door cards (vinyl) off... why did i not think to ask the garage to leave the cards off?!

i just spent nearly an hour trying to get those bl&*dy press in studs out. Anyone got any suggestions? I can get a screwdriver under one, just, but not levering off. tried levering off the whole panel - you can hear the panel starting to tear.

i have just seen this tool justkampers http://www.justkampers.com/shop/beetles ... 11401.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; i reckon this would do the job. luckily only an hour from JK so may nip over if they are open tomorrow... will let u know how i get on

[hi_tower]

Or if machine mart is nearer, they sell a cheaper one.
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/produ ... ad-remover" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[smadaa]

cheers hitower. Machine maart are closer for me. will be getting one of those!

[Westy End]

smadaa

hove you got said tool yet? i will go and get one tomorrow if it will shift those studs.....

whole day of tinkering tomorrow so will try to really nail the insulating.

[CovKid]

The other tool well worth having from machine mart is their oil seal remover. The gearbox input shaft seal that Chickenkoop and I replaced yesterday came out in under 3 minutes with that tool - any other method - hours....and for £6, a bargain.