Electric power steering - help needed

Post by **syncropete** » 21 Mar 2008, 21:24

Have been asked to fit a citroen saxo power steering pump on a 1990 syncro camper. Does anyone know a) Where to mount it, B) What length the hoses should be C) What threads the citroen pump has D) what threads the vw rak has E) Does it require a seperate relay and if so should it be powered all the time on an key dependent live or hooked up to alt output.
I know its a lot but the van is in sardinia and I am driving our camper there next saturday and dont really have time to do the research needed as well as put our van back together!
Cheers
Pete

Post by **andysimpson** » 21 Mar 2008, 21:28

Have done 2, welded "pooh" bracket onto front subframe behind anti roll bar. Had a high pressure pipe made up to connect pump to rack, can't remeber size. Used 70 amp relay, one van direct off ignition, one triggered off charging circuit. Hose is about 18".

Post by **syncropete** » 21 Mar 2008, 21:41

cheers Andy

Post by **mike25/90** » 22 Mar 2008, 00:27

got a type 25 1.9 conversion and would love to fit power steering, have you got more detail on saxo pump? is there any model? and have you got any picies cause you know a picture paints a thousand words :

Post by **CycloneMike** » 22 Mar 2008, 06:45

Mike don't confuse this with EPS, you'll still need a normal PAS rack with this method, which is the hard(read expensive) bit to get second hand.
The Saxo PAS steering system is electro/hydraulic and uses an electric powered pump instead of belt driven engine pump to push the fluid about.
Cars like the Corsa, Punto and MGF are the ones which use a motor driven steering column to provide assistance. The Corsa column is the most popular for conversion and I know it is often put to use in Mk1/2 Escort rally cars and heavy engined kit cars such as Cobra replicas.

Post by **vanwesty** » 22 Mar 2008, 10:41

have a look at this www.pajoe.co.uk explains how EPS works looks a good system but expensive.

Post by **andysimpson** » 22 Mar 2008, 14:47

CycloneMike wrote:Mike don't confuse this with EPS, you'll still need a normal PAS rack with this method, which is the hard(read expensive) bit to get second hand.
The Saxo PAS steering system is electro/hydraulic and uses an electric powered pump instead of belt driven engine pump to push the fluid about.
Cars like the Corsa, Punto and MGF are the ones which use a motor driven steering column to provide assistance. The Corsa column is the most popular for conversion and I know it is often put to use in Mk1/2 Escort rally cars and heavy engined kit cars such as Cobra replicas.

Thats great but where can it be installed in a t25 that won't make a severeve mess of your legs in a crash.

Post by **CycloneMike** » 22 Mar 2008, 18:05

andysimpson wrote:
Thats great but where can it be installed in a t25 that won't make a severeve mess of your legs in a crash.

Andy to be honest I've no idea, you obviously must have experience.
I haven't fitted EPS or even crashed a van or done a risk assessment.
I was only trying to be helpful by explaining that the two systems are completely different and they have been successfully used in other applications.
Now you mention it to put it in context, I don't suppose it would be much if any more dangerous than riding/crashing a motorcycle or even a push bike, playing rugby or rock climbing, but there's plenty of folks that take the risk. Each to their own. There is a risk element in everthing we do, but they haven't made enough cotton wool to wrap me up safe from it all.
How far do we take it worrying about crashing, perhaps we should all sell these vehicles of out dated design in favour of driving new Renaults because they have 5 NCAP stars. I don't expect there will be many takers.
Anyway, you take care and mind you don't hurt yourself jumping about off road in that Syncro.

Mike.

Post by **andysimpson** » 22 Mar 2008, 20:28

CycloneMike wrote:
andysimpson wrote:
Thats great but where can it be installed in a t25 that won't make a severeve mess of your legs in a crash.

Andy to be honest I've no idea, you obviously must have experience.
I haven't fitted EPS or even crashed a van or done a risk assessment.
I was only trying to be helpful by explaining that the two systems are completely different and they have been successfully used in other applications.
Now you mention it to put it in context, I don't suppose it would be much if any more dangerous than riding/crashing a motorcycle or even a push bike, playing rugby or rock climbing, but there's plenty of folks that take the risk. Each to their own. There is a risk element in everthing we do, but they haven't made enough cotton wool to wrap me up safe from it all.
How far do we take it worrying about crashing, perhaps we should all sell these vehicles of out dated design in favour of driving new Renaults because they have 5 NCAP stars. I don't expect there will be many takers.
Anyway, you take care and mind you don't hurt yourself jumping about off road in that Syncro.
Mike.

My point is why make it dangerous when just as easy it can me made safe. I also have no problem with dieing but would hate to have no legs.

Post by **mike25/90** » 23 Mar 2008, 04:47

saxo electric/hydraulic sounds the way to go. can i use a pas rack from other vw's or have i got to wait for one to appear on the antiques roadshow and have the dealer take my trousers down?
cheers Mike.

Post by **mike25/90** » 23 Mar 2008, 04:48

saxo electric/hydraulic sounds the way to go. can i use a pas rack from other vw's or have i got to wait for one to appear on the antiques roadshow and have the dealer take my trousers down?
cheers Mike.

Post by **andysimpson** » 23 Mar 2008, 17:10

mike25/90 wrote:saxo electric/hydraulic sounds the way to go. can i use a pas rack from other vw's or have i got to wait for one to appear on the antiques roadshow and have the dealer take my trousers down?
cheers Mike.

Yes, rhd drive ones are hard to get and price reflects this.

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