TDi T3 finally worth it.......

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TDi T3 finally worth it.......

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I flew out to Hamburg in 2005 to look at a few T3's at a garage.The fact he had 2 bluestars,a whitestar,and even the rare redstar,in various forms of diesel engine was worth the trip.
I came away with a one owner whitestar in which he'd fitted a tdi engine.
Being a little excited to be in Germany,in a T3,and naive at the time it was only when back in blighty that the honeymoon started to fall apart.....almost literally.... :lol:
No,it wasn't THAT bad,but when I had more time to realise it he'd basically thrown the tdi in there,and there were a lot of ticking time bombs waiting to raise their ugly heads somewhere convenient-you know like Isle of Skye or some narrow Cornish lane with a tractor behind you!!!

With a little encouragement from my mate Del,who likes his vans,the decision was made to go for open heart surgery in January this year!
Basically the plan was a total rewire of the loom and probable longer top gear,and along the way get all the right parts that a TDi conversion needs,as best possible.

With the engine out it was given belt and tensioner change at http://www.brickwerks.co.uk.Head gasket was left alone.
Injectors were also pop tested.

A shopping list of parts were ordered from H.A Projekt in Germany,these were a signal processor for the Ecu to read the speedo,an oil return pipe for the turbo,a bellhousing seal plate,a tdi input shaft so I could run a golf tdi clutch,and.....a 0.74 5th gear.(The box is an ASR so luckily already had good ratios)

The loom was stripped right back to bare wires-all 68+ of them!,and remapped out on a loom board.All connections were soldered where possible.

A diesel loom was fitted as the original loom had the original connectors hacked about.This meant removal of the fuel tank,where we noticed the sellers top skills had been put to good use!!(The filler neck had been enlarged to accept a diesel pump,using a hole cutter,I found pieces of plastic in the tank!!) :roll:
A new neck was sourced.

As this bus was originally a 2.1 petrol,there was no insulation where diesels have them,so Quietlife marine insulation was used under the gearbox hump area,and around the engine bay.

Whilst all this was going on Aidan Talbot http://www.aidantalbot.com was given the task of rebuilding the gearbox and fitting my longer 5th and input shaft.This is the one thing that if you want tdi car performance you have to bite the £600+ bullet!-theres no other way round it unless you like moon buggy look?

A chargecooler was used to cool the breath,and it was decided to try and move this,from under the hump where there is a lot of room but the pipe routing means the belly tray cannot be fitted without mods.This was moved to behind the left light unit-not much room at all!!!-but a nice short pipe run!

A sachs uprated clutch kit was bought from GSF and the flywheel(1Z) was given a skim to make sure any clutch judder previously present was eliminated.
Before mating box with lump a new oil pump was fitted as the flywheel makes it a git to get to the inner most sump bolts.

110hp injector nozzles were grabbed from american ebay whilst the exchange rate was good,although these are set to be replaced with genuine audi AFN nozzles,as the nozzles bought are chinese built and the quality is suspect so far.

A JX airbox was sourced from http://www.syncrospares.co.uk and the crappy cone filter ceremoniously tossed into the bin.

So,there were a few teething problems,the main one being the diesel pump,which has now been replaced.
Amazingly no fault codes when hooked up to VAGCOM (not counting the brake light switch one which is for cruise control functions)

Finally fitted the engine belly pan,(many thanks to Dubsta,cheers Ben!)
and can't believe the difference that has made!-much less tractory sounding and more suited to its modern badge!

Yet to recalibrate the rev counter,but early reports I'm finding 5th nice and useable,not a big jump up but also loads of power to throw it to 70 at which rev counter reading 2,700 but its more like 3,000.......and this is running on biodiesel too!
Expecting(hoping) for better mpg than before the stripdown which worked out at 40mpg on long trips!With the bigger injectors and a still very excitedly heavy right foot we'll have to see!

And a few pics..........

the original engine bay.....

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a more recent shot.......

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its out!!........

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that loom.........

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insulation........

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still a way to go.......

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airbox in place........

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tinware.........

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fresh out of rehab........
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:ok :ok well done that man, really good write up congrats on wat looked like a long job!
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A good writeup and very useful to people... so putting it in the Wiki verbatim... many thanks!

https://club8090.co.uk/wiki/Al ... ine_1.9tdi

Best of luck with it from now on, I'm sure all that work will pay big dividends in the years to come

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Re: TDi T3 finally worth it.......

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moonshine wrote:

So,there were a few teething problems,the main one being the diesel pump,which has now been replaced.
Amazingly no fault codes when hooked up to VAGCOM (not counting the brake light switch one which is for cruise control functions)



The brake light switch not been connected will increase your fuel consumption, it is also a saftey item for if the throttle sensors fail. If you do connect the brake light switch its not good to solder terminals to wires unless you have to, its fine soldering wires in the loom.

Sounds like you have done a thorough job unlike most conversions

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Post by sdelasal »

andy - why would 'The brake light switch not been connected will increase your fuel consumption,'??
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sdelasal wrote:andy - why would 'The brake light switch not been connected will increase your fuel consumption,'??
Steve

No fuel cut off when braking which is one of the tdi's advantage over td's around town.

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well done with your conversion, hope to do the same in the future.

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Great reading this - congratulations and good luck!
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andysimpson wrote: The brake light switch not been connected will increase your fuel consumption, it is also a saftey item for if the throttle sensors fail. If you do connect the brake light switch its not good to solder terminals to wires unless you have to, its fine soldering wires in the loom.

Cheers Andy,I do want to get it sorted,the brake light wire is hooked up but to the rear bulb,not the the brake light switch as advised.Maybe thats why it doesn't like it,or maybe its because the brake pedalswitch and brake light switch values have to be equalised on vagcom-any idea?

I've only soldered wire to wire in general.

Yes,I'm finally happy with the conversion,originally was comitted to getting some hydraulic engine mounts made up to kill vibration,and stop the typical rattly gear lever,but now its sound dampened its doesn't appear necessary!
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Post by Kenny »

Great conversion! Would you mind telling me what the engine bay insulation material is you have used and where you got it from please?
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no problem.
Its called quietlife.its only available from

http://www.asap-supplies.com/toc.php?ma ... 78eaabba83

as far as I know.
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Post by geordie skydiver »

Excellent work. :D

Great attention to detail.

How much has it set you back so far?
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well hopefully less than a grand but I've been too scared to sit down and work it out!!!

Took it out tonight..........cruised at 130kmh (80)..and thats what it was all about
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moonshine wrote:
andysimpson wrote: The brake light switch not been connected will increase your fuel consumption, it is also a saftey item for if the throttle sensors fail. If you do connect the brake light switch its not good to solder terminals to wires unless you have to, its fine soldering wires in the loom.

Cheers Andy,I do want to get it sorted,the brake light wire is hooked up but to the rear bulb,not the the brake light switch as advised.Maybe thats why it doesn't like it,or maybe its because the brake pedalswitch and brake light switch values have to be equalised on vagcom-any idea?

You can test the brake light light switching by left foot braking when accelerating, if power goes completely its working as it should.

You can create another switch in effect with a relay in the brake light circuit. Also depending on year and spec of car engine came from it could have a dual brake light switch and both need to agree.

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Thanks Andy,thats a good test.
The wires are hooked up now,(err...slight oversight when refitting the steering column-left brake and clutch switches disconnected! :oops: )

The ecu also has a red/blk wire that reads "brake light switch".I've got this wire going to the rear brake light '+' wire itself.-I don't know if thats a bad idea?

If you need to get the brake pedal and brake light signals to agree,can they both be connected together(is that what the dual switch does)?-Why do they need to agree anyway?

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