Alternative power-plants and transplants (GTi, Porsche, Subaru, Audi, diesel etc). Discussion and Q&A last answered over 2 years ago.
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ELVIS wrote:Head to head against a 2.2 scoobie my 2l was the quicker van, gave better mpg and infinitely cheaper to install.
If you are staring with a diesel van all you basically need is the engine with ECU and loom, thats about it really.
Then price up full RJES conversion , then sort the sump etc etc etc. As Hutch will tell you when he helped the Belgium do his van- even parts like cam + tensioner were lots more. best part of £200 to do whole lot IIRC
Gti comes out head and shoulders winner IMHO.
I'll race you in my 2.5! 35% more power over the 2.2 The 2.2 is all about torque - it was THE benchmark for torque when they were new (late 80's early 90's) Try a race in both without excedding 3000 rpm
I'll race YOU in my twin turbo....knocking on the door of 300BHP!
Subaru is the way ahead forget about GTI engines they were "pooh" in the Golf and there worse in a T25...Fact
89 caravelle 2.0 twin turbo subaru
87 Merc G wagon 3.0D
95 Audi RS2
04 Honda civic 1.7td
My facts are head to head against a EJ22 was mine performed better whilst giving better mpg.
If giving better performance/mpg than an EJ22 is 'pooh' as you say, i can live with it for the time being.
As for being 'pooh' in the golf ? i guess them being so 'pooh' is why they sold in such low volumes and were discontinued because of it......................
Pooh engines. Thats a strong statement. Fair enough in a golf they don't feel that quick and there are much faster cars around, but they have very few issues. Cheap to buy, cheap to repair, give decent performance and mpg and can easily do over 200,000 miles. I have a 2.2 in my van because it's an auto but if it have of been manual, would have gone for the 2.0ltr golf lump every day just because you don't need a loan if you need to get spares (cam belt kit £120 notes)butin the real world either of these engines make driving the van a much nicer place than any waterboxer.
i have a 2.1 wbx and toying with the idea of the subaru. local to me there is a subaru specialist, which being in penzance is a miracle!!! everything usually is way up the line. speaking to him today he suggests a late as poss 2.0l. as its a much livlier engine..he sees no advantage with the 2.5 or 2.2...(his words) 2.5 has so much more to go wrong if you don't know its history..fair point i guess and the 2.2 not really much better than the 2.0l if any better......ummmmm what to do
The 2.0 is a very good engine - it doesn't have the top end of the 2.5, but is a very torquey engine. The Mrs has a 95 impreza 2.0, it will out torque pretty well any NA 2.0 petrol car. It's like driving a diesel turbo - I can go every where at less than 3K rpm, no worrries!
Dunno about the Golf motors (as I said earlier - not enough of them over here - there are probably 100 Subarus for every golf of the same age).
300 Hp would be interesting, but I can easily overcome the traction of the bus with the 2.5 - It'll do me fine!... for now...
Allan
'84 T3 Kombi, EJ25 DOHC.
Duct Tape can't fix stupid, but it can MUFFLE the sound.
as my bodywork is progressing Im starting to think about engine choices as my current engine is a un-known entity.
Now I had settled on a scooby lump but funds are limited and after a view of this thread I was swayed by the AGG option.
My question is , my van is a 1.9 petrol with a 4 speed box ,to convert to a golf engine Im going to need a lot of parts from a diesel van to get it in. By the time you factor in the cost of sourcing the golf engine and all the neccesary bits from the diesel van would you be getting close to the cost of fitting the scooby lump?
any thoughts will be gratefully recieved
James
If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music
leave it alone, you not got enough to do?
whats wrong with the lump thats in itm you looking to move to diesel? if so then stick a 1y in cheap and cheerfull, solid good mpg ...
mike
KINGPRAWN wrote:i have a 2.1 wbx and toying with the idea of the subaru. local to me there is a subaru specialist, which being in penzance is a miracle!!! everything usually is way up the line. speaking to him today he suggests a late as poss 2.0l. as its a much livlier engine..he sees no advantage with the 2.5 or 2.2...(his words) 2.5 has so much more to go wrong if you don't know its history..fair point i guess and the 2.2 not really much better than the 2.0l if any better......ummmmm what to do
Who is the Subaru specialist Andy and where?
1987 Westy Syncro 2.5 DJ (Courtesy of 025MOTORSPORT)
mrhutch wrote:also remember if you're starting from a PETROL van then you've a load of diesel parts to collect - bellhousing/sump/starter/h20 pipes
This is what I was getting at will the cost of gathering the neccesary diesel parts push the cost of the swop up into the price of the subaru swop ?
Mk3 GTI's are ten a penny down south and very easy to pick up cheap, subarus a little more expensive but still cheaper than a recon wbx espacialy if I can get a salvage one.
bugger I knew this wasnt going to be easy
James
If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music
from RJES... believe me, I've done a 2.5 EJ25 swap from a 2.1 in a 16" syncro...
The kit that Richard produces is second to none, this is a cast bellhousing that mates straight up to the VW gearbox... The quality is superb - could not fault RJES, his instructions and personal service are above all praise...
We've not even looked at donor engine, loom, reversed coolant manifold, exhaust, tacho, coolant bottle, accelerator cable, cluth & flywheel, etc, etc....
for £500 you should have a passat/golf on the drive, PLUS all the parts needed to perform the conversion
The 2.2 is all about torque - it was THE benchmark for torque when they were new (late 80's early 90's) Try a race in both without excedding 3000 rpm
