By the way, latest techie information I have is that you need to be feeding in at least 5% of your fuel as hydrogen to actually make a mark on MPG.
Magic Bus, what kind of container are you using? I'm opting to make a big one from an industral inline water filter container.
Really worth watching this. Its a multi-fuel vehicle which can run on petrol, hydrogen, or LPG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCI4WuCpZPE - timing for hydrogen is around TDC
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That's what I was thinking as well.
That means you would need a very large reservior to hold enough mixture to feed the engine at high revs.
We need to know:
a) how much fuel/air mixture is drawn in to the engine per cycle (not more than 2 litres),
b) how much of that mixture is fuel.
That means you would need a very large reservior to hold enough mixture to feed the engine at high revs.
We need to know:
a) how much fuel/air mixture is drawn in to the engine per cycle (not more than 2 litres),
b) how much of that mixture is fuel.
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I used a coffe jar and 8 ss plates in my experimental unit,so far have gained 2.5 mpg using 6 amps.Most units ive read about are pulling 16 amps or so.Still more testing to do before i build a bigger one and add a p.w.m.
Most petrol engines run at 14.7 to 1 fuel air mix.If you use hydroxy with no other fuel you can run at 25 to 1.To run a 1.6 ltr engine would take 80ltr ish of hydroxy gas per min'.BOB BOYCE has built a 101 plate design that does just that,but is very complicated.Most homemade units are only producing 0.5 ltr per min,Which is enough to aid fuel combustion and cut emissions.
ZACH WEST has build a simpler booster to run his 250cc bike on hydroxy alone.
My aim is for a 20% fuel increas which i think is realistic,just to put that in real terms,if your getting 20mpg that will put you up to 24mpg.But thats still 20% off every ltr you buy.
This technology is nothing new,its been around for years,people are looking at it again because of the cost of fual.Water vapour injection could be another thing worth looking at,thats also been around for years and forgotten until now.
Ive got a p.d.f which explaines everything better than i can,p.m me with your e-mail and i will send it to you.Or check PANACEA ONLINE UNIVERSITY,or SMACKS BOOSTER home page.
You can also buy hydrogen boosters from e-bay.
If you want something to really get you thinking check out STANLEY MAYER or JOE CELL
I used a coffe jar and 8 ss plates in my experimental unit,so far have gained 2.5 mpg using 6 amps.Most units ive read about are pulling 16 amps or so.Still more testing to do before i build a bigger one and add a p.w.m.
Most petrol engines run at 14.7 to 1 fuel air mix.If you use hydroxy with no other fuel you can run at 25 to 1.To run a 1.6 ltr engine would take 80ltr ish of hydroxy gas per min'.BOB BOYCE has built a 101 plate design that does just that,but is very complicated.Most homemade units are only producing 0.5 ltr per min,Which is enough to aid fuel combustion and cut emissions.
ZACH WEST has build a simpler booster to run his 250cc bike on hydroxy alone.
My aim is for a 20% fuel increas which i think is realistic,just to put that in real terms,if your getting 20mpg that will put you up to 24mpg.But thats still 20% off every ltr you buy.
This technology is nothing new,its been around for years,people are looking at it again because of the cost of fual.Water vapour injection could be another thing worth looking at,thats also been around for years and forgotten until now.
Ive got a p.d.f which explaines everything better than i can,p.m me with your e-mail and i will send it to you.Or check PANACEA ONLINE UNIVERSITY,or SMACKS BOOSTER home page.
You can also buy hydrogen boosters from e-bay.
If you want something to really get you thinking check out STANLEY MAYER or JOE CELL
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Im trying the same thing that magic bus has done, currently putting together 2 jars using the spiral wire version rather than the plates (see water4gas).
Quck question for magic bus really, where did you go in with your feeder pipe, is there a good place to do it without drilling etc,or just drilling one hole, and where to drill...
Some designs suggest also going into the air intake manifold for idle improvement, but I cant see how id get much extra on idle, fuel usage sensors usually show that unloaded closed throttle positions are very economical anyway, so anything to keep the design simpler suits me, the thought of drilling intake manifolds just scares me.
PS Where is the best place (easiest) for the + and - 12v connections. Somewhere thats only on with ignition would be best.
Cheers for any help or advice offered.
Quck question for magic bus really, where did you go in with your feeder pipe, is there a good place to do it without drilling etc,or just drilling one hole, and where to drill...
Some designs suggest also going into the air intake manifold for idle improvement, but I cant see how id get much extra on idle, fuel usage sensors usually show that unloaded closed throttle positions are very economical anyway, so anything to keep the design simpler suits me, the thought of drilling intake manifolds just scares me.
PS Where is the best place (easiest) for the + and - 12v connections. Somewhere thats only on with ignition would be best.
Cheers for any help or advice offered.
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My engine is a 1y diesel,so i fed the hydroxy into the air intake,just drilled a hole and fixed the pipe into it.You could try that that and see how it goes.
I fitted a 30 amp relay fed off the diesel solenoid,then used an inline fuse to feed the cell through the switching contact on the relay.- went to the battery and + want to the battery via the relay.
Dont know if you have an electric fuel pump on your van,maybe you could feed a relay off that.Really any wire that becomes live when your engine is runing could be used to feed your relay.
I think if you look on the wiki there are drawings for split charger circuits,its just the same except your feeding your cell instead of a second battery.
Hope that helps,let us know how it goes.
P.S what are you thinking of using for your electrolyte.
My engine is a 1y diesel,so i fed the hydroxy into the air intake,just drilled a hole and fixed the pipe into it.You could try that that and see how it goes.
I fitted a 30 amp relay fed off the diesel solenoid,then used an inline fuse to feed the cell through the switching contact on the relay.- went to the battery and + want to the battery via the relay.
Dont know if you have an electric fuel pump on your van,maybe you could feed a relay off that.Really any wire that becomes live when your engine is runing could be used to feed your relay.
I think if you look on the wiki there are drawings for split charger circuits,its just the same except your feeding your cell instead of a second battery.
Hope that helps,let us know how it goes.
P.S what are you thinking of using for your electrolyte.
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Just read this, sorry for the delay, I will be using baking soda.
At the moment im checking my fuel economy, i do the same run most days, so i figured use about a tank of gas, refill and fit the boosters.
Not quite finished building the tandem one, may get that finished this week, will get it all running in a couple of weeks when im empty.
Was thinking about LPG and subaru engine, but cant afford to do both at once and really want cost savings first.
But then i love the flat 4, so this idea seems worth a try.
(Not sure id throw a grand at LPGing my engine without a rebuild etc).
Anyway, its a bit of fun and it might save some money.
At the moment im checking my fuel economy, i do the same run most days, so i figured use about a tank of gas, refill and fit the boosters.
Not quite finished building the tandem one, may get that finished this week, will get it all running in a couple of weeks when im empty.
Was thinking about LPG and subaru engine, but cant afford to do both at once and really want cost savings first.
But then i love the flat 4, so this idea seems worth a try.
(Not sure id throw a grand at LPGing my engine without a rebuild etc).
Anyway, its a bit of fun and it might save some money.
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It certainly is catching on .... have a look at this story!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7496331.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7496331.stm
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Theres no magic solution to spiralling fuel costs but HHO is viable and certainly something you can have a go at yourself. As mentioned above, current draw is a crucial factor. The rough and ready 'plates in a jar' is a way to start although to do it properly, a square wave generator will improve things somewhat and hopefully bring down the amps being consumed.
You need 7% hydrogen to be making any appreciable difference so a big jar is way to go I think. The Meyers idea (for those following all this) used a significant amount of electronics on top but he claimed to be able to run on 100% water. This is born out by the japanese release of a car that can run on any water including tea, so the technology does work.
You need 7% hydrogen to be making any appreciable difference so a big jar is way to go I think. The Meyers idea (for those following all this) used a significant amount of electronics on top but he claimed to be able to run on 100% water. This is born out by the japanese release of a car that can run on any water including tea, so the technology does work.
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So far ive got to 32mpg from a base line of 29mpg.My engine is a 1y 1.9 diesel.When i did the base line check there was only me in the van.The 32mpg im getting is with 5 of us in the van with all of our camping gear.I mostly run around at 60-65ish.This guy seems to be getting better results www.watervan.co.uk .All this is with straight dc electrolis.
cov kid is spot on when talking about square waves they will improve things.But you will need a pulse width modulator(pwm) to generate the waves.A pwm is a dc motor speed controler which will chop up the dc current into pulses,this helps keep down the heat in the cell and stops the runaway current problems.A good design for a pwm on the ZERO FOSSIL FUEL web site.
When i get a good working cell ill be fitting a pwm to it,so enyone looking at building or working with pwm's please get in touch
Good luck to anyone building hho cells,let us know how its going.
Ive got an hho pdf for anyone that wants it ,its free
cov kid is spot on when talking about square waves they will improve things.But you will need a pulse width modulator(pwm) to generate the waves.A pwm is a dc motor speed controler which will chop up the dc current into pulses,this helps keep down the heat in the cell and stops the runaway current problems.A good design for a pwm on the ZERO FOSSIL FUEL web site.
When i get a good working cell ill be fitting a pwm to it,so enyone looking at building or working with pwm's please get in touch
Good luck to anyone building hho cells,let us know how its going.
Ive got an hho pdf for anyone that wants it ,its free
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