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Can you fix it without a laptop?

Yes: Then it's OK by me.

No: Bin it
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I've driven the New Defender. You expect the offroad capability and its all there - the best ever by LR but its the effortless way its achieved that's most impressive with added bonus that you can drive it in on the road without the compromises of the old one. Yes, fuel economy is nothing to write home about but there is a 2.0d and its a 2 ton brick at the end of the day (we know about those), PHEVs are coming. Metal dash with a grab handle, 3 up in the front, rubber hose clean floor and chequer-plate, it puts a massive grin on your face, just like the old one. Now the small matter of £45k.
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Fair nuff, the towing and roof load capacity are spot on but is it voluminous?
Will there be a LWB Pickup version? If not, you've lost the HiLux/L200/Amarok and Mercedes X-class market in one hit.

The front end looks pretty good, side profile is ok* but the a*** end is just wrong. The rear lights are mismatched . Why are the outrigger lights tiny? They look lost in the expanse of the rear quarter wing panel. They should all be the same size.
And round!

*why the inverted castellation in the centre of the wheelarch trim? Guessing its some vague reference to the original Range Rover raised bonnet corners (so the driver knew where they were when making manoeuvres in a tight spot) and this "device" was then used on the Evoque hairdresser's tractor. But its just so shi-shi.

PS when will D5 get a facelift and be rid of the awful :/ tailgate?

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£38k. I think the 2 door base level commercial one will sell. But Land Rover consistently come low in the customer satisfaction surveys, they’re always going back to dealerships for faults.

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£24k. Get a Suzuki Jimny if you want a reliable Chelsea tractor.
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But no pickup version?

Big market share there but it would have to be very reliable i.e. not be inclined to break its chassis (which it doesnt have...)
My comparison to the upmarket trucks was misplaced, didnt realize that Merc have already dropped the X-class (after less than three years!) and it was just an overpriced Nissan anyway. A much less expensive Renault-badged version will continue, however.

Again. No pickup version for farmers?

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£38k. I think the 2 door base level commercial one will sell. But Land Rover consistently come low in the customer satisfaction surveys, they’re always going back to dealerships for faults.

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£24k. Get a Suzuki Jimny if you want a reliable Chelsea tractor.
The Jimny has a very long heritage. It's simple, tough, cheap(ish) and works. Not the biggest 4x4 by any means but it's not supposed to be.
Not really a fair comparison to a LR though. Catapult vs SA80*

*also rather unreliable wasn't it?

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Pick ups don’t sell well in Europe, never have. Poor mpg, too wide for the narrow roads, 22% import tax against 10-15 for cars or something around those figures, no yee-haw heritage. I think they do well in the states as fuel is half the price of Europe. They can tow though, so the SUV (hateful things) can’t fill the gap in the market on that front.
Dunno?, cheap & reliable 4x4 that can tow, not much choice is there? ... maybe there is a gap as you say.
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MAYBE THIS WILL BE THE ANSWER. IF NOT TOO EXPENSIVE. BUILT IN WALES. DEVELOPED BY STYER
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I had forgotten all about the Grenadier project. It's been going since the world new that Defender's days were numbered.
I hope it is genuinely UK made

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I heard being built in the old Ford plant at Bridgend
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That would make a lot of sense and bring much needed employment back to the area.
I hope that they can make it a success after LR deemed the old design to have had its day.
Maybe the problems were too obvious (quality control, worn out body tooling, no redesign to address the well-known and basic ergonomic flaws)

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