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New Defender. Discuss?

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C'mon, it's arguably the most popular 4x4 brand around and the old coil version has been around since 1983 (and was heavily based on the original Range Rover that had already been going strong since 1969)

This is going to be a make or break vehicle for the old green oval.

Things that caught my eye were:

226/291mm ground clearance (coil/air)

38 degree front, 40 degree rear departure angles

300kg roof load!

I quite like the big, flat linear dash.

But...
styling wise it looks like a big fat Skoda Yeti to me (maybe not a bad thing?)

Rear lights are a pointless fussy pastiche detail

Some desperate "buckaroo" OEM accessories will be available. Not enough space inside?

Kerb weights start at 2100kg for the swb

Fully 2m wide...

Petrol(turbo) do 25mpg, CRDT 32mpg

£40k entry price (£35 for commercial variants)

What do you think? The Jeep FC Concept made a lot more sense. Well it would, wouldn't it. Why didnt they make them?

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You can still order a classic if you are a smallholder 8)
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looks like a BMW mini on steroids which is no surprise
I really don't care, but frankly those mpg figures are a disgrace for the 21st century
They've already lost the farmers market to the Japanese double cabs here, I can't see many of the local farmers going for one, there aren't that many still running old defenders, even less series models, but there are still a couple of Series 1 107s in day to day use here which always make me smile when they come into town

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Haven't even taken the time to assess the spec. I agree with Aidan, the mpg figures are woeful for the times.

However, I like the looks - not that that would make me buy one.
But I was impressed by the trailer for the bond theme - and they underwent very little modification - not that would make me buy one!

Even at that money - you'll see plenty on the roads - I just don't know where people get the money
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Jim San wrote:
Even at that money - you'll see plenty on the roads - I just don't know where people get the money


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mrhutch wrote:You can still order a classic if you are a smallholder 8)
Bruised elbows, cold feet, no PTO (the original USP for the smallholder). Why would anyone buy one?

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Fugeh wrote:
Jim San wrote:
Even at that money - you'll see plenty on the roads - I just don't know where people get the money


Debt. 9 in 10 new cars are PCP/Leased.

Friends of ours lease both their cars, lady up the road does too. Incredible amount of money - just to drive new. The splurge they come out with to justify it leaves me open mouthed.

The lease model is taking over. Companies love it. Snag a customer into paying an amount each and every month - with no end in site.
I know it is not new - but the trend of ownership is making way for the eternal debt.

but is it shiney ?

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0-62 in 6.4 sec!!! Really? Is this a replacement for the old defender? That’ll be a great help when getting the cows in for milking!

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No. Just no.
Not a Defender, just a reuse of the name on a totally different kind of vehicle. The whole point of the Defender was that you didn't care if it got mucky, scratched or kicked by a horse - it just got on with its work. I can't see this version being used that way, or taking it well if it is.

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Looks like a puddle dodgers motor.
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Just no from me

Belongs with people that have caught Golf

Yuk.
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ajsimmo wrote:No. Just no.
Not a Defender, just a reuse of the name on a totally different kind of vehicle. The whole point of the Defender was that you didn't care if it got mucky, scratched or kicked by a horse - it just got on with its work. I can't see this version being used that way, or taking it well if it is.

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Hit the nail on the head. They should have stuck with live axles and a chassis, because it works. Why does everything have to move "upmarket"?
If sales had fallen to just 5k/year it suggested that what was needed was a restyle/modernization of the original farmer's car concept, not a clean sheet new design that fixes a load of stuff that wasn't broke.
All it really needed was a tweak to the dimensions to get some elbow & leg room (bulkhead, longer doors) and a heater that worked.
Oh and doors with hidden fixings, so they aren't so easy to steal!

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Looks to me, more like the replacement for the disco was meant to be. How many variations on a theme can the Land Rover brand take?

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Rather than the Disco 5 with its now infamous "had a stroke" tailgate?

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