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VC refills for Cancer Research UK

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First off a bit of background: its been kind of an open secret that some of the Southern Counties Usual Suspects had been gathering resources to have a concerted effort toward refilling VC's to the best of our abilities and as close to factory specs as humanly possible, but without throwing money at the problem (otherwise we might as well just buy them in and save ourselves the effort)
After a lot of offline negotiation, discussion, delays, frustration and general faffage, we finally got together with 4 front diffs for another memorable all-night "by early morning mist" session.
To say we were over ambituous would be a gross understatement!
What we discovered pretty quickly: it takes a solid 3 hours to clean the guts of a VC and that's working as a 3-man team. Solvent choice is critical. You can't really do this with domestic scales (we were lucky enough to have aquired some pukka lab scales) Refilling requires a degree of knack, dexterity and patience for the final stages.
We only got one refilled and reinstalled, the results were mixed...it was kind of sporty and we weren't sure if it was definitely filled right, if our scales were reading correctly, if there was some other problem with the fluid mix etc etc.
In the event, after a bit of "well let's all have a drive and see what we think" we reckon it turned out well enough.
No stalling on full lock in G at.tickover, no wheel skipping or scrabling. On this basis we decided to try another with a guesstimated alternate fluid blend, for a more "comfort" oriented VC for another vehicle. A bit bold considering this was only #2...
More to follow ;-)
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Act 2. After the initial fit-up and testing of #1, I ended up taking the whole shooting match back to my works to set up a "clean room" where better working conditons would yeild more consistent results.
Halfway through sourcing the correct OEM spec fluid (to bypass the mucky blending process) and parts to build an overload-protected test rig, we had to work out how to proceed amicably, since this had been a joint effort with everyone playing to their strengths. No one person could take ownership of the project and since there are a couple of big players out there who wouldn't appreciate this knowledge going free-range, we had to find a way of satisfying honour toward our "mentor" but still putting out hard-won experience to good use.
Enter the flash of inspiration:
VC refills/recons done at near-cost, but with a donation rider for our chosen charity. Basically, good will vicso's.
The charity was an easy choice to make, we went for Cancer Research UK.
The upshot is that you get a cut-price diy rig-tested VC, my work will be at a much reduced rate (my personal donation) and we all feel a little better because we have done a good thing for something which will undoubtably touch all of our lives at some point.
Now, we're still in the early stages. The test rig isn't finished so the first few will be by the numbers (R & D disclaimers included) and I have got to order the fluid (minimum order of 25kg at £15/kg...) once a bit of lab experimentation has been completed to confirm 100% that the correct viscosity has been identified.
But if you like the idea and you think you will need a VC in the coming year(s) you could do a lot worse.
Final costing TBC but I am aiming for around a 60% saving over current prices and that includes the charity donation, which will be a minimum of £50 per visco.
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Finally, don't for a minute credit me with the whole thing. Jes, Neil & Ash have all done just as much - if not more - behind the scenes to bring this project to completion. It's very much a joint effort and we couldnt have done it without a raft of help from "our man in Austria"
Thanks ;-)
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Bluddy good idea if you ask me :ok
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My vc is perfect atm but we are happy to help out, Hil survived cervical cancer :ok
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Mine is bordering tight so I will be in the market at some point in the next year no doubt.

The charity idea is inspired. I can't see any reason why this wouldn't be a huge success and a great boon to the community. Well done to all of you :ok

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silverbullet wrote:It's very much a joint effort and we couldnt have done it without a raft of help from "our man in Austria"
Thanks ;-)

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Really Andrew... but yes he is and we have proved ourselves to be worthy of his trust. Some things simply are not for sale...
We are hoping to meet up at syncro 30, which should make for a few interesting conversations!
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Ian I'm hoping to be up on volksworld show weekend. Dong know if Neil has mentioned it.

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Yes, Neil had mentioned it Lee. No problem. I might even drop in myself but it's all a bit "luftgekühlt" for me.
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Whats the eta on these?...tested? :)

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Sooner rather than later ;-)
I have the test parameters and all parts to make up a rig, but the technique still needs to be developed.
I also have a business to run and things have been kind of busy... hopefully next week I will have done the final viscosity checks and then I can do the bulk fluid order.
I will post up the minute I'm ready to roll them out.
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A little update for the original group-buy collective:

Boiler at work has now been down for a couple of weeks, so everything is at ambient temps i.e. far from ideal for this sort of thing. Measuring the fluid is very tricky indeed, the scales get a bit twitchy when temps are in single figures and I can't perform any kind of viscosity comparisons, so the bulk fluid order is still pending.

Sorry for the delays.
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Can't quite work out how to pm you??

I have 2 Viscos i would like done please :)

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I have no bliddy idea how healthy or poorly my VC is....... :oops:

But I'm guessing prevention is better then cure??

We should get to mendips....maybe someone there will be able to test it for us?

but yes....I think this is a brilliant idea! Can I have a ballpark figure. Know there is a £50 donation....what's the rest. Don't worry - won't hold you to it xx
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